RE: Saab 9-3 SportWagon

RE: Saab 9-3 SportWagon

Monday 14th February 2005

Saab 9-3 SportWagon

New estate car features TwinFloor thingy


Saab has launched its new 9-3 SportWagon. The stylish and muscular looking car gives Saab the chance to grab a slice of a growing sector in the market.

Last year, Europe's growing premium mid-size estate segment reached a quarter of a million units, with the UK accounting for almost 50,000 of these. Diesel engines accounted for 60 per cent of UK premium mid-size estate sales, and 70 per cent of overall European sales. In Europe the model will be known as the 9-3 SportCombi.

In addition to a comprehensive seven-engine line-up, the Aero model will launch an all-new, high performance, 250 bhp, 24-valve, 2.8-litre V6 Turbo – the first in the segment to have a turbocharged six cylinder engine. The new V6 Turbo will also be available in the 9-3 Aero Sport Saloon and Convertible models from September.

The SportWagon comes with a TwinFloor stowage facility. By pulling a chrome, aircraft-shaped handle, the main boot floor can be folded and relocated for access to a recessed sub-floor.

This 9-3 is the first Saab to achieve zero lift levels at both axles, (0.00 Clf and 0.00 Clr). It has low drag with 0.33 Cd and high speed stability, and integrated rear roof spoiler.

 

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Targarama

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14,638 posts

285 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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Yawn. Looks like a Subaru Legacy to me.

Interesting alternative to a Audi A4 Avant I guess.

Whose chassis is this built on? Vauxhall/Opel or Subaru?

GeoffH

31 posts

272 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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"TwinFloor stowage facility"!! My MGBGT has one of those and its a 40 years old design, it just did not have a fancy marketing-speak name. If thats the best point about it they must be desperate.

exint2

282 posts

259 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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250 BHP from a 2.8 turbo really isn't trying very hard ... should be at least 300!

Alex

9,975 posts

286 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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exint2 said:
250 BHP from a 2.8 turbo really isn't trying very hard ... should be at least 300!


Try getting it through the front wheels though!

hendry

1,945 posts

284 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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Targarama said:
Yawn. Looks like a Subaru Legacy to me.

Interesting alternative to a Audi A4 Avant I guess.

Whose chassis is this built on? Vauxhall/Opel or Subaru?


This is still based on the 9-3 Sport Saloon that has been around for a couple of years and has Vectra underpinnings.

This should do well. A lot of Saab buyers are families although they will also be pursuing the left-fielders and activity types with this, all of whom will welcome the hatch and extra space.

Don't forget the old 93 was a hatch but the marketing boys pressured the company into the new one being a saloon as they read somewhere that is what junior execs want... ;-)

900T-R

20,404 posts

259 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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hendry said:

[quote=Targarama]

This should do well. A lot of Saab buyers are families although they will also be pursuing the left-fielders and activity types with this, all of whom will welcome the hatch and extra space.

Don't forget the old 93 was a hatch but the marketing boys pressured the company into the new one being a saloon as they read somewhere that is what junior execs want... ;-)



Spot on this comment. Instead of widening the audience with the vastly better handling 'new' 9-3, Saab just seemed to swap one target audience for another by foregoing the hatchback option.

B10

1,255 posts

269 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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Why are they doing a badged enginmeered Subaru estate thingy very soon as well? Both cars will be competing with each other???

LongQ

13,864 posts

235 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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250bhp in a 9-3 should be quite enough really and leave plenty for the tuning fraternity and future models.

Given this is a family oriented vehicle or one for those needing space for Fido to stretch out in the back, probably unrestrained, I would have thought that 250 should provide enough go for it to easily exceed any realistic maximum speeds the target audience might desire.

If the torque is at or above the levels of the 4 pot 250bhp HOT engine in the 9-5, given the 9-3 is presumably lighter, that should be quite adequate as well.

Perhaps a 4x4 using the Subaru setup but with the V6 instead of the flat 6?

havoc

30,329 posts

237 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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The Saabaru, as I understand it, is US-market only, or at least not Europe. Which is a shame - I know a fair few people like the performance of the Impreza, but don't want the looks or the image...cue understated Q-car (except for the bonnet scoop, I know!)

As for the 9-3 Wagon - looks good. And yes us "true" performance car drivers own cars with bhp/litre over 100, but they're a little extreme for many people, and can be rather more expensive to build...a nice lazy 250 from a big V6 with a low-pressure turbo is likely to be easier and sweeter to drive than the equivalent 2.0T with 250bhp.

ylee coyote

420 posts

238 months

Monday 14th February 2005
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Alex said:

exint2 said:
250 BHP from a 2.8 turbo really isn't trying very hard ... should be at least 300!



Try getting it through the front wheels though!


300 through the front wheels ....are you mad ?

try 400

It works for me....

Road_Terrorist

5,591 posts

244 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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someguy said:
300 through the front wheels ....are you mad ?

try 400

It works for me....


I'll second that motion your honour

If your going to be mad why go halfway?

900T-R

20,404 posts

259 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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Well, that used to be Saab... suitably crazy... a grunge alternative to Beemers and Audi's...

Sadly, GM hasn't yet grasped 'that' part of the marque's heritage...

(Oh, and 281 bhp through he front wheels is adequate as long as the car around it doesn't weigh anymore than 1,200 kgs and the gearing is so short that you're flat out at 7,000 rpm in fifth @150ish... )

FesterNath

652 posts

238 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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I scratched my head when I saw it. It don't make no sense. Why couldn't SAAB have kept updating the 99, like a mass market Swedish 911...

Petoir

2 posts

232 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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"the first in the segment to have a turbocharged six cylinder engine"

You know, I could have sworn my RS4 has a six cylinder turbo charged engine... must check when I get home.

dinkel

27,024 posts

260 months

Tuesday 15th February 2005
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Make it awd and it will make a difference . . . why should I buy one? A4 Avant, V70, maybe even a Mondeo, 3 Touring . . .

John Nowak

108 posts

246 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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I am in love with my friend's '92 900 Turbo. Absolutely gorgeous car. I have a '94 9000 Turbo myself. These new Saabs though... eh. I'd have one, but I'd not be too excited about it.

Saab should introduce a new AWD 900 with an option for 300HP and have it compete with the WRX/Evo. I'd have FIVE of them.

900T-R

20,404 posts

259 months

Wednesday 16th February 2005
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That's anyones guess. The classic 900 turbo (sometimes refeered to as '99b') was well on its way to being an icon of comparable order when GM decided to replace it with something Cavalier-based...

FesterNath said:
I scratched my head when I saw it. It don't make no sense. Why couldn't SAAB have kept updating the 99, like a mass market Swedish 911...