Moroso / Elise Parts ? Other? (Sump)

[Herman Toothrot]

Had my Mk3 MR2 spin a big end bearing at a trackday on Friday, still not decided on how to proceed, either a complete Toyota supplied short block with all the supposed fixes, or a 2ZZ engine swap. Whichever I go for I want to try and make it a bit safer. The sumps I understand are the same for either engine so I wondered what was regarded as the best option in Elise circles?



http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com/product_info.php...

http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/32/990/baf...

[Scuffers]

I'm somewhat biased on this, but having tried to fit a Moroso one and being well un-impressed (the bolt holes don't even line up properly!), went off and came up with the EP one.

ignoring the better design, it actually fit's and the build quality/finish is in a different league.

[Herman Toothrot]

Thanks for the input, beginning to sway to having a 2ZZ fitted as deducting the cost of a repair to standard using a new 1ZZ short block the additional 2ZZ cost is likely to just about be covered at resale. I read the 2ZZ has a better sump as standard than the 1ZZ, but people have still seen problems.

[Scuffers]

Herman Toothrot said:

Thanks for the input, beginning to sway to having a 2ZZ fitted as deducting the cost of a repair to standard using a new 1ZZ short block the additional 2ZZ cost is likely to just about be covered at resale. I read the 2ZZ has a better sump as standard than the 1ZZ, but people have still seen problems.

not seen a 1ZZ sump in detail, but struggle to see how it can be worse than the 2ZZ's.

[Herman Toothrot]

Scuffers said:

not seen a 1ZZ sump in detail, but struggle to see how it can be worse than the 2ZZ's.

I read maybe incorretly that the 1ZZ has no baffling at all, the 2ZZ has an attempt..

[Scuffers]

Herman Toothrot said:

Scuffers said:

not seen a 1ZZ sump in detail, but struggle to see how it can be worse than the 2ZZ's.

I read maybe incorretly that the 1ZZ has no baffling at all, the 2ZZ has an attempt..

not in the ones I have pulled off they don't.

[Herman Toothrot]

Has there been many 1ZZ or 2ZZ failures in Elise due to oil starvation?

[Scuffers]

Herman Toothrot said:

Has there been many 1ZZ or 2ZZ failures in Elise due to oil starvation?

Yes, lots.

[jfk01]

Had a moroso ... didn't fit without pursuasion .. had to move oil pickup pipe ... ended up fitting 3 times due to leaks ..
When it stopped leaking the thread on the sump plug was knackered after 3 uses ... so I sent it back !

[the ronin]

I've used the pan for six years, I did install a AN-10 drain with AN cap to eliminate any over torque issues when changing oil.
No leakage if you let the block/pan sealing cure over night before adding oil.

[Herman Toothrot]

So a mixed bag, guys in the MR2 forum seem happy with the moroso but then they probably thought it the only choice as unlikely to be looking at Elise shops. I have always been happy with the EP stuff I've had for the old VX220. Not a lot of price difference between the two to help in a decision. Do both allow for the standard dip stick to give good true readings as both can take more oil? Do they both read full with the extra amounts?

[Herman Toothrot]

Ordered the EP sump, going to Rogue Motorsport for fitting so hopefully they'll receive it and say how much better than the Moroso it is . Or at least it's just as good, along as they don't like the look of the Moroso more I'll be happy