Ok. No Laughing. (Seized Bolts)
Ok. No Laughing. (Seized Bolts)
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dragstar

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3,924 posts

274 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Ok. Just reversed into a curb (Note to self: DONT drive whilst in a foul mood or whilst on the phone) and slightly damaged the rear diffuser.

To cut a long story short the two allen-keyed bolts have seized and whilst trying to force them i have circled the allen key size slot/hole (i.e. the key just spins around in it).

Does it need to be sheared off?

Cheers Big-Lads

Bonce

4,339 posts

303 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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I don't believe you really reversed into a kerb.

Show me photos.

dragstar

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3,924 posts

274 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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ok. Be back in a jiffy! (i also just cleaned it, so this is the perfect excuse to show off!

dragstar

Original Poster:

3,924 posts

274 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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here we are:

Looks quite bad from here...but it will straighten out



How it was not so long ago



CLEAN



I missed a bit



ME (yes i know i need a haircut and shave)



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Bonce

4,339 posts

303 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Looks like a write off to me.

dragstar

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Wednesday 28th July 2004
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tom_burnley

163 posts

268 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Looks like a job for the dremmel Multi

I knew it was good for something!

dragstar

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3,924 posts

274 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Cheers Tom

fergusd

1,250 posts

294 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Anglegrinder . . . carefully . . .

Drill . . . less carefully . . .

Dremel . . . tediously . . .

Or just bend the fins back while it's on the car . . .

I tend to err on the side of tools of mass destruction . . . and knowing how to use them

Fd

si_swain

8 posts

261 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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I had the same sort of problem last week trying to remove undertray to fit my new gear linkage. I did get one undone, but the other weren't shiftin and started to round. In the end i took all the outside bolts out and then rotated the diffuser around from side to side working the bolt free. This may help, but if both are knackered.....mmmm time to think again!!!

TIMH

89 posts

299 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Hi

Get a small needle file and carefully file a slot into the seized bolt(s) taking care not to put too deep a slot into them......

Then get large flat bladed screwdriver that fills the slot and try and undo the bolt....

If you don't file deep enough, the screwdriver may slip off, too deep a slot and the head may snap off but you won't be any worse off if that happens.....

Re fit the new bolts with copper grease so it can't happen again

Tim.

dragstar

Original Poster:

3,924 posts

274 months

Wednesday 28th July 2004
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Cheers Fellas!

I think i'll stay away from Fergus' methods as im shite with anything mechanical

Si: im knackered as both are stuck and have rounded. Thus, i'll follow Tim, however i'll go the whole 9yards and file the off (they have rounded so im better off getting new bolts anyway).

Fun day ahead tomorrow then

Thanks again. Appreciated.

Nightmare

5,279 posts

308 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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fergusd said:
I tend to err on the side of tools of mass destruction . . . Fd

cinqster

1,057 posts

303 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Unless the holes have completely rounded out (eg. there must be a remains of a corner in there somewhere) I'd be tempted to use an impact driver if a small flat driver head can be made to bite into the hole. Twat with large rubber/copper faced hammer. Make sure the driver is set to turn anticlockwise!

Failing that, the needlefile suggestion earlier, except you may have more luck with half a hacksaw blade and gloves. Mask the surrounding diffuser ally with gaffer tape for either methods as you sound mildly accident prone!

John S.

adrianr

822 posts

308 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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cinqster said:
I'd be tempted to use an impact driver


Nooooo!!! the fixings in question only go into the lip of the fibreglass clam - you'd end up with a massive crack/hole.

My tip is for left handed drill bits in a cordless drill - drill slowly and controllably and sometimes they bite and wind the screw out, otherwise the head will drill neatly off and you can remove the rest.

Be wary of high speed drills and grinders, heat can build up and damage GRP.

AdrianR

jb26413

244 posts

263 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Sometimes, if they're not too seized, you can file off the sides of the bolt to produce a flat and then clamp a mole grip really tightly over the head and unscrew that way. A good soaking with WD40 may help - best avoid the blow torch I guess!!

dragstar

Original Poster:

3,924 posts

274 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Cheers fellas.

You lot are scaring me now

I'll try a trusty junior hacksaw for starters and work my way up. (im meant to be working now as well. Thats right. You heard. I've got a job )

paulwakinshaw

436 posts

264 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Hi Mate

careful with this one (if you haven't already managed to remove the bolts)

Small dremmel to put a slot on the now rounded head and a large flat blade screwdriver to undo the bolt. When I removed my undertray last week I suspected that these bolts are nearly as long in length as the threaded holes they go into, hence they can seize easily by bottoming out. some grease should prevent this happening in the future but these bolts don't have to be super tight as there are about 12 small M5 bolts around the edge of the tray anyway.

one of the virtues of a mega (remember i have seen it) low elise Drag!

S2 suspension getting fitted at F1 on Monday!!!!!! yeah, no more knocking noises!!!!!

Wak

dragstar

Original Poster:

3,924 posts

274 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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Nice one!

I haven't managed to remove the bolts and dont think i will be able to at the moment. My jack is shite and i cant find my dremel

I'll leave it for this week, but thanks for the help peeps

cinqster

1,057 posts

303 months

Thursday 29th July 2004
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adrianr said:

[quote=cinqster]I'd be tempted to use an impact driver



Nooooo!!! the fixings in question only go into the lip of the fibreglass clam - you'd end up with a massive crack/hole.

Wrong, if they're allen bolts then they're the biggies that bolt into the steel subframe!

John S.