Lotus Europa engine....

[piooly]

I was wondering why Lotus are going to bring out the Europa with the Vauxhall turbo engine and not use the Toyota supercharged Lump? Surely if they are investing all this money into that engine and using it in the new exige S, why not use it in the Europa?

[S Works]

Left-overs from the VX220.

With a bit of tuning and some nice suspension the Europa is going to be one quick little car. Can't wait to see one.

[exx]

The Vx engine is a lot pokier in certain conditions and as for aftermarket tuning, 300bhp is easily possible with a VXR Turbo (from a VxR220), appropriate remap, uprated intercooler, bigger injectors, better exhaust etc etc. That makes it a seriously quick car.

[lawrence5]

Ding - plenty of performance hence the need to supercharge the exige......

Europa was going to be a Proton but they canned it so Lotus are taking it to market. Fit within the brand a sub-dividing a niche remains to be seen - 450 is a modest target and I think it'll sell just fine.

Exige suspension will also fit - as stated it could be the tinkerers choice

[bogie]

torque - thats why - even with the supercharged on the 1.8 Toyota is only 170lb/ft ish ...the 2.0L turbo will still be better suited to the Europa

[lawrence5]

Just to illustrate vxt is listed in Evo as 184ftlb @ 1950rpm. Exige s listed as 159ftlb @ 5500rpm....

[bobo]

lawrence5 said:

Exige suspension will also fit - as stated it could be the tinkerers choice

how do know that??? thx

[boggy]

Morning all

I for one can't wait for the Europa, I'm now seriously thinking about buying one, I've had a couple of other idea's including the Exige S but I for one believe that the Europa will be a quicker car than the Exige S obviously not as track based car but for an all round road use. I think it's going to be nearly unbeatable as a package for the Money(Before anyone extract's the urine it's only my opinion)

Boggy

[225]

the 2lt turbo lump has been around for a while and is very tunable, so a swift remap will see some big power gains

[bobo]

i think autocar said the europa was due sept in that article relating to the new CEO. dealers saying july / aug.

anyone got a clearer view on this?

also .... still curious to know exactly how difficult it would be to get LSS (or the exige setup) on one of these from the off. its still a bit high for ease of access.

thx.

[GTRene]

225 said:

the 2lt turbo lump has been around for a while and is very tunable, so a swift remap will see some big power gains

I also have heard that in the newer 2.0Lt turbo engine's there is no longer need for the heavy balance weights? I now a tuner that takes them out no problem! and save's a lot weight! in the engine...but I'm afraid they gona use the older type engine for the Europa...and the newer better 2.0Lt 260hp standard engine goes into the Speedster GT from Opel!
Now that would be a nice engine to start with in the Europa S
GTRene

>> Edited by GTRene on Thursday 1st June 11:08

[GTRene]

On the Lotus website they say this about their Europa S;
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However, the Europa S is not a derivative of the Elise or the Exige and has been allocated a separate Lotus type number of Type 121 - the Elise and Exige are both Type 111.

The new mid-engined coupe will deliver high levels of performance from a high torque (263 Nm or 194 lbft at 4200 rpm) 2.0-litre turbo engine producing 149 kW (200 hp or 203 PS) at 5400rpm. The Lotus Europa S achieves around 90% of its maximum torque at only 2000 rpm to give “super car” levels of acceleration from low engine speeds, propelling the car from 0 –96 km/h (60 mph) in around 5.5 seconds, and 160 km/h (100 mph) in around 14 seconds. Maximum speed is approximately 225 km/h (140 mph). Being a Lotus, the Europa S has a phenomenal power to weight ratio of 201 hp / tonne (204 PS / tonne or 6.68 kg / kW).
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and this is what opel(vx) says about the new 2.0Lt
engine with 260hp!
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The new Opel GT is fun to drive thanks to its front engine and rear-wheel drive, which together ensure a balanced weight distribution, and its 260-hp 2.0-liter ECOTEC turbo engine with gasoline direct injection. This accelerates the new GT from zero to 100 km/h in less than six seconds, and enables a maximum speed of over 230 km/h.

delivering 260 hp (194 kW) and 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m) of torq(found that somewhere else)
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So you see huge difference...thats why I think the new engine can relative "save" handle 300hp but the old engine will need more to tune savely me thinks...also when they "old" 2.0Lt engines are all gone maybe a special Europa RS will come 260hp...
GTRene

>> Edited by GTRene on Thursday 1st June 11:29

[S Works]

But one is a Lotus, and the other a Vauxhall. No contest.

[GTRene]

S Works said:

But one is a Lotus, and the other a Vauxhall. No contest.

No contest indeed, I mean they can put that 260hp new 2.0L Turbo in the Europa S then its a torgue machine big fun with 260hp on tap..
GTRene

[BalhamLotus]

bobo said:

i think autocar said the europa was due sept in that article relating to the new CEO. dealers saying july / aug. anyone got a clearer view on this? also .... still curious to know exactly how difficult it would be to get LSS (or the exige setup) on one of these from the off. its still a bit high for ease of access. thx.

I was told by a main dealer that it will be at the motor show at Docklands Excel in July for its UK launch, then out to the dealers the same month.

Didn't say when customer cars would be ready though.

[rfoster]

Good that's where I will be then (just bagged free tickets too!)

[bobo]

when is it?

[lawrence5]

Is starting to look good...........

[bobo]

images dont work!!

post again pls.

[lawrence5]

This site doesn't like webshots

See if the clicky works........

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