Metro Newspaper Page 37

[Boggy]

2 Eleven write up top mark's!

Boggy

[Bing o]

I was amazed they managed to write a whole article about a car without mentioning climate change or global warming....

[Boggy]

Bing o said:

I was amazed they managed to write a whole article about a car without mentioning climate change or global warming....

To be honest I don't think it's a concern of Lotus, they make very environmentally friendly car's as they are so light etc. Sure lotus are concerned with global warming but they are ahead of the game already (Bio car) The fact of all this is simple anyway, it doesn't matter what we do in this country to cut green house gasses India, America & China will wipe it out in less than a year! the cold hard fact is that were not big enough to make a difference? as far as I'm concerned it's the old Paul Daniel's trick anyway, they've got us all going on about global warming worrying about that nonsense and behind our back's the government has another agenda and are doing something else £? I'm not that stupid and I'm surprised at some people being so easily lead

Boggy

[bing]

Yep great article!!!! I sooooo want one now!!!! Even tho I don't really do track days!!!

[Boggy]

bing said:

Yep great article!!!! I sooooo want one now!!!! Even tho I don't really do track days!!!

I love them to, some one we know is just waiting for heir's to built now

Boggy

[DsDetective]

Did you also catch the Evo article in the latest mag, pages 144 to 150. A head to head against an Elfin. The guy was a real sceptic going into it but ended up loving it - another full marks write-up.

Now, how much would an old hatch-back for the week cost me...

[bing]

DsDetective said:

Now, how much would an old hatch-back for the week cost me...

Good Point!!!!

[Bing o]

Boggy said:

Bing o said:

I was amazed they managed to write a whole article about a car without mentioning climate change or global warming....

To be honest I don't think it's a concern of Lotus, they make very environmentally friendly car's as they are so light etc. Sure lotus are concerned with global warming but they are ahead of the game already (Bio car) The fact of all this is simple anyway, it doesn't matter what we do in this country to cut green house gasses India, America & China will wipe it out in less than a year! the cold hard fact is that were not big enough to make a difference? as far as I'm concerned it's the old Paul Daniel's trick anyway, they've got us all going on about global warming worrying about that nonsense and behind our back's the government has another agenda and are doing something else £?

I know that, you know that, but you must admit that the Metro usually spouts a lot of environmental shite - might have been nice for them to point out Lotus' green cars etc though.

Boggy said:

I'm not that stupid

Boggy said:

I'm surprised at some people being so easily lead

Are you sure We seem to be on a massive guilt trip in this country that anything we enjoy must be damaging something and we must pay tax/offsets to salve our consciousness. I suppose they try and tap into the "right on, liberal yoghurt knitters" you get in London.

Anyway, fantastic car, and brightened up my trip to the office!!

[sequential]

Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/

[Boggy]

Bing o said:

Boggy said:

Bing o said:

I was amazed they managed to write a whole article about a car without mentioning climate change or global warming....

To be honest I don't think it's a concern of Lotus, they make very environmentally friendly car's as they are so light etc. Sure lotus are concerned with global warming but they are ahead of the game already (Bio car) The fact of all this is simple anyway, it doesn't matter what we do in this country to cut green house gasses India, America & China will wipe it out in less than a year! the cold hard fact is that were not big enough to make a difference? as far as I'm concerned it's the old Paul Daniel's trick anyway, they've got us all going on about global warming worrying about that nonsense and behind our back's the government has another agenda and are doing something else £?

I know that, you know that, but you must admit that the Metro usually spouts a lot of environmental shite - might have been nice for them to point out Lotus' green cars etc though.

Boggy said:

I'm not that stupid

Boggy said:

I'm surprised at some people being so easily lead

Are you sure We seem to be on a massive guilt trip in this country that anything we enjoy must be damaging something and we must pay tax/offsets to salve our consciousness. I suppose they try and tap into the "right on, liberal yoghurt knitters" you get in London.

Anyway, fantastic car, and brightened up my trip to the office!!

I might buy a V8 Range Rover and then drive it into Canary Wharf everday just to pi** people off

Boggy

[S Works]

sequential said:

Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/

Has this even turned a wheel in anger yet?

[kevin ritson]

I'd wait and see with the X-Bow. It looks nice but bear in mind it's KTM's first attempt at a car, plus they're quoting 40K, yet it has carbon fibre parts on the car...doesn't quite add up.

I've heard a few sceptical noises too but having said that it'll be interesting to see how it turns out, even if it does have a german washing machine engine.

[Stephanie Plum]

S Works said:

sequential said:

Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/

Has this even turned a wheel in anger yet?

I heard they haven't even built the production line yet......

[S Works]

kevin ritson said:

I'd wait and see with the X-Bow. It looks nice but bear in mind it's KTM's first attempt at a car, plus they're quoting 40K, yet it has carbon fibre parts on the car...doesn't quite add up.

I've heard a few sceptical noises too but having said that it'll be interesting to see how it turns out, even if it does have a german washing machine engine.

My thoughts exactly mate. Looks fantastic, but the proof of the pudding and all that...

[Boggy]

Don't want to put it down to much but I've owned a fair amount of Motocross bikes in my time and KTM aren't the most reliable, wouldn't touch it with a barge poll

Boggy

[sequential]

Stephanie Plum said:

S Works said:

sequential said:

Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/

Has this even turned a wheel in anger yet?

I heard they haven't even built the production line yet......

I don't think they need to own the production line, they just need access to expertise - just look at how successful the Porsche-Valmet relationship has been for the Boxster

[sequential]

S Works said:

kevin ritson said:

I'd wait and see with the X-Bow. It looks nice but bear in mind it's KTM's first attempt at a car, plus they're quoting 40K, yet it has carbon fibre parts on the car...doesn't quite add up.

I've heard a few sceptical noises too but having said that it'll be interesting to see how it turns out, even if it does have a german washing machine engine.

My thoughts exactly mate. Looks fantastic, but the proof of the pudding and all that...

Apparantly, there was one at Goodwood recently -- not sure if it worked or not though...

[sequential]

Boggy said:

Don't want to put it down to much but I've owned a fair amount of Motocross bikes in my time and KTM aren't the most reliable, wouldn't touch it with a barge poll

Boggy

Point taken, although the Elise is not that reliable and well built either...

[Bing o]

If you want reliability then no sportscars are going to tick the box really (maybe excluding Porkers...but I hear that they go bang sometimes...)

[S Works]

sequential said:

Stephanie Plum said:

S Works said:

sequential said:

Great car, but it has no chance against the KTM X-Bow

http://www.ktm-x-bow.com/

Has this even turned a wheel in anger yet?

I heard they haven't even built the production line yet......

I don't think they need to own the production line, they just need access to expertise - just look at how successful the Porsche-Valmet relationship has been for the Boxster

I think what Stephanie was alluding to was perhaps the tooling required to produce the cars, not necessarily the line itself.

Either way. The X-Bow, whilst it looks very cool and sounds good on paper, is unproven on road or track. The Elige chassis on which the 2-eleven is built, is well-proven. Given that the 2-eleven (or at least the development hack) has been run in hillclimbs with some success, and has been thrashed to high-heaven by various test drivers, racing drivers and journo's and been given good reviews, I defy anyone to say that (at the moment) the X-Bow is a threat to it.

I say again. The proof of the pudding...