Front tyres. Pirelli P-zero Asimmetrico
Discussion
I think I could do with changing my front tyres.. Not particulary due to wear, more just the age of them (origional tyres)
Now Ive got the same tyres on the rear, and these are almost new.
So ive been looking for this tyre (Pirelli P-zero Asimmetrico) in 185/55/15.
cant find them anywhere. any ideas? gone out of production? Or have they just been re-named)
Wanted to get the same ones because I dont want to replace the rears as well, with them being so new.
Only pirelli I can find in that size is a P6000 - anyone know about these?
cheers!
chadders
Now Ive got the same tyres on the rear, and these are almost new.
So ive been looking for this tyre (Pirelli P-zero Asimmetrico) in 185/55/15.
cant find them anywhere. any ideas? gone out of production? Or have they just been re-named)
Wanted to get the same ones because I dont want to replace the rears as well, with them being so new.
Only pirelli I can find in that size is a P6000 - anyone know about these?
cheers!
chadders
Use another tyre than Pirelli P-zero, please!
Yoko AD, or Toyo. Look on www.eliseparts.com for details
Do a search on here too, to have the full SP!
Yoko AD, or Toyo. Look on www.eliseparts.com for details
Do a search on here too, to have the full SP!
You say you won't change the type of tyre then ask about the P6000???? (which is an utterly sh*t tyre by the way...) 
You should bite the bullet and get some decent tyres on there, even a set of part-worns off Seloc or something. A set of Toyo's can be had for an excellent price......
.....Or you can hunt down the Pirellis and never appreciate the handling of the car....
You should bite the bullet and get some decent tyres on there, even a set of part-worns off Seloc or something. A set of Toyo's can be had for an excellent price......
.....Or you can hunt down the Pirellis and never appreciate the handling of the car....
No what I mean is, all four Toyos will probably be cheaper than two rip-off Pirellis, seriously. Having two types of tyre from the same maufacturer is no different to having two totally brands altogether........both are to be avoided at all costs. Don't mix the tyres. If you can't find the same Pirellis, just invest in some Toyo's, but keep the old Pirelli rears as spares.
listen to the other guys, trying to give you good advice in an Elise !
have you driven it in the wet yet? how long have you survived the years old Pirellis?...the rubber will have perished now with the no of heat cycles...change all 4 right away...your car will be known in Elise circles as a 'hedge-hunter' otherwise
putting 2 new grippy tyres on the front and the first wet roundabout you come too...welll it dosent bare thinking about...4 new tyres for £250 is worth more than your car, NCB and more importantly your life isnt it?
..and errrrr if you cant afford 4 cheap tyres all the same, why on earth did you buy the car !?
have you driven it in the wet yet? how long have you survived the years old Pirellis?...the rubber will have perished now with the no of heat cycles...change all 4 right away...your car will be known in Elise circles as a 'hedge-hunter' otherwise
putting 2 new grippy tyres on the front and the first wet roundabout you come too...welll it dosent bare thinking about...4 new tyres for £250 is worth more than your car, NCB and more importantly your life isnt it?
..and errrrr if you cant afford 4 cheap tyres all the same, why on earth did you buy the car !?
And if it needed saying again, ditch ALL the tyres on the car and get a full set of decent ones. I heartily recommend you bite the bullet and get some Yokohama Advan Neova LTS's fitted. They were designed SPECIFICALLY for the S1 Elise (unlike any other tyres available), and are quite simply the best road tyres I've had on any of the 4 Elises I've had.
Yes, they cost more, yes they are a little softer than some other brands and yes they will wear a little quicker. And yes, they are MUCH better than anything else you can get for your beloved Lotus.
Yes, they cost more, yes they are a little softer than some other brands and yes they will wear a little quicker. And yes, they are MUCH better than anything else you can get for your beloved Lotus.
Chadders said:
would I still be ok running the 205/50/15's on the rear with 195/50/15 on front??
Just want to try and get the same tyres to match the rear. changing all 4 aint an option!!
I notice from the picture of your car you have 111S wheels. So, on the rear the size is 225/45/ZR16.Just want to try and get the same tyres to match the rear. changing all 4 aint an option!!
Just to tell you how I feel about Pirelli's, I bought a 111S with 4 new tyres, 1 month old; I binned them straight away!
You do want to enjoy your car. yes?
Chadders, please throw those P-zeros away. It doesn't matter what they look like or how much tread they have on them they really won't be of much use now.
As S-Works says, the best tyre for the S1 is the Yoko Advan but I suspect a set is going to be a bit too pricey for you now. Good alternatives are the Toyo T-1R in 195/50 x 15 and 225/45 x 16 or the Kuhmo KU 31 in the same sizes. Those sizes are important to maintain the handling balance of your car.
I've been using Toyos and whilst they aren't the last word in tyres (they introduce a bit of 'elasticity') they are safe, predictable and perform very well in the wet. You'll never find their limits in the dry on the road (unless you drive like a complete idiot). They do take much longer to bed in than most tyres (I reckon about 1,000 miles). Try running them at 24/26 psi.
I can't comment on the Kuhmos but they have been getting good reviews on Seloc.
A set of four of the Toyos or Kuhmos should set you back about £250, fitted.
As S-Works says, the best tyre for the S1 is the Yoko Advan but I suspect a set is going to be a bit too pricey for you now. Good alternatives are the Toyo T-1R in 195/50 x 15 and 225/45 x 16 or the Kuhmo KU 31 in the same sizes. Those sizes are important to maintain the handling balance of your car.
I've been using Toyos and whilst they aren't the last word in tyres (they introduce a bit of 'elasticity') they are safe, predictable and perform very well in the wet. You'll never find their limits in the dry on the road (unless you drive like a complete idiot). They do take much longer to bed in than most tyres (I reckon about 1,000 miles). Try running them at 24/26 psi.
I can't comment on the Kuhmos but they have been getting good reviews on Seloc.
A set of four of the Toyos or Kuhmos should set you back about £250, fitted.
Right! Ive been well and truely told!!
Will be getting the tracking checked/set up next month, and then will go for a full set off new tyres. Will chuck the rear ones(done 2000 miles) on ebay.
Didnt think people thought so little of the P-Zero's.. felt quite good to me. Having said that, ive only driven my elise with these tyres, so all I have to compare against is a similer car with toyos and bridgestones.
cheers chaps
Will be getting the tracking checked/set up next month, and then will go for a full set off new tyres. Will chuck the rear ones(done 2000 miles) on ebay.
Didnt think people thought so little of the P-Zero's.. felt quite good to me. Having said that, ive only driven my elise with these tyres, so all I have to compare against is a similer car with toyos and bridgestones.
cheers chaps
Found a place selling a full set of toyo T1R's for £192. (195/50/15 + 225/45/16)
RESULT!
As for "why did I buy this car if I cant afford the tyres" Its just a bit of a tight time at the moment, work is dead, just bought my missis an engagement ring, just spent £500 on the brakes, and everything seems to of come at once!!
RESULT!
As for "why did I buy this car if I cant afford the tyres" Its just a bit of a tight time at the moment, work is dead, just bought my missis an engagement ring, just spent £500 on the brakes, and everything seems to of come at once!!
Good man, you know it makes sense....S Works said:
And if it needed saying again, ditch ALL the tyres on the car and get a full set of decent ones. I heartily recommend you bite the bullet and get some Yokohama Advan Neova LTS's fitted. They were designed SPECIFICALLY for the S1 Elise (unlike any other tyres available), and are quite simply the best road tyres I've had on any of the 4 Elises I've had.
Yes, they cost more, yes they are a little softer than some other brands and yes they will wear a little quicker. And yes, they are MUCH better than anything else you can get for your beloved Lotus.
+11111!11!1!!1one! Yes, they cost more, yes they are a little softer than some other brands and yes they will wear a little quicker. And yes, they are MUCH better than anything else you can get for your beloved Lotus.
Unfortunately when I bought my S1 last year the previous owner had fitted a brand new set of P6000 tyres on the front and P-Zeros on the back. From experience I know the P6000's (Ditchfinders/Widowmakers) were absolute rubbish, but persisted and decided to make it a mission of mine to destroy them as soon as humanily possible ... Well that time came a few days ago and I have now had a full set of Advan Neova LTS's fitted ... WOW! It has totally changed the handling, breaking and acceleration characteristics of the car ... and the car gives far more confidence on wet roads! An excellent tyre!
I cannot comment on other tyres suggested and the Neova's are rather expensive, but worth every penny imho. Seeing as the Elise was designed for handling, and handling is the main aspect that brings a smile to my face when I drive the Elise, it seems a no-brainer to get the very best out of the car 
I'll be sticking with the Yoko's from now on!Anything is better than Pirelli though!
I had my left rear blow out on a dual carridgeway, and after a rather scary moment got trailered away and had four T1R's fitted.
I'm personally not over impressed with them, I had Bridgestone RE010's before and they gave more steering feel. The Toyo's seem to grip well, but you really have to build your confidence and trust in them as opposed to the Bridgestone's which gave you a constant stream of feedback.
The Toyo's are far less tiring on the motorway, which was what I was doing just after I got them fitted, but that's not what I'm generally going to be using my car for.
I there much of a market for part worn tyres? Because so far I've done 500 miles and I'm tempted to try and get rid of them.
I'm personally not over impressed with them, I had Bridgestone RE010's before and they gave more steering feel. The Toyo's seem to grip well, but you really have to build your confidence and trust in them as opposed to the Bridgestone's which gave you a constant stream of feedback.
The Toyo's are far less tiring on the motorway, which was what I was doing just after I got them fitted, but that's not what I'm generally going to be using my car for.
I there much of a market for part worn tyres? Because so far I've done 500 miles and I'm tempted to try and get rid of them.
Thorburn said:
I had my left rear blow out on a dual carridgeway, and after a rather scary moment got trailered away and had four T1R's fitted.
I'm personally not over impressed with them, I had Bridgestone RE010's before and they gave more steering feel. The Toyo's seem to grip well, but you really have to build your confidence and trust in them as opposed to the Bridgestone's which gave you a constant stream of feedback.
The Toyo's are far less tiring on the motorway, which was what I was doing just after I got them fitted, but that's not what I'm generally going to be using my car for.
I there much of a market for part worn tyres? Because so far I've done 500 miles and I'm tempted to try and get rid of them.
To be honest, I have heard mixed reviews about the toyo T1R too. my mate had them on his Exige and seemed to like them, but ive heard some people say they are not the right kind of tyre for the elise/exige...I'm personally not over impressed with them, I had Bridgestone RE010's before and they gave more steering feel. The Toyo's seem to grip well, but you really have to build your confidence and trust in them as opposed to the Bridgestone's which gave you a constant stream of feedback.
The Toyo's are far less tiring on the motorway, which was what I was doing just after I got them fitted, but that's not what I'm generally going to be using my car for.
I there much of a market for part worn tyres? Because so far I've done 500 miles and I'm tempted to try and get rid of them.
but f
k it, if there £200 for a full set it wont be a massively expensive mistake to make..Re: T1R's - if you've only put 500 miles on them, then they will still feel a bit remote. From here on it gets better. Feel at dead-ahead is a little slower than on Advans, but once they are well scrubbed (do a carlimits.com day for instance!), they are decent enough.
Most complaints are around flex in the treadblocks over the first 500-1k miles (which does make the car feel unstable at higher speeds), and flex in the sidewalls when they get very hot (usually on track), and as such they are less communicative than the Advans. They are a reasonable enough alternative if you're on a budget, and are good in the wet. I ran my Honda'd S2 on them as road tyres, and frankly, they were fine even with that power. You get used to them pretty quickly. So why did I use them over Advans? Because for the wheel sizes I had on the S2 (OZ's), AO39's were £750 a set vs. ~£350 for the Toyo's.
Most complaints are around flex in the treadblocks over the first 500-1k miles (which does make the car feel unstable at higher speeds), and flex in the sidewalls when they get very hot (usually on track), and as such they are less communicative than the Advans. They are a reasonable enough alternative if you're on a budget, and are good in the wet. I ran my Honda'd S2 on them as road tyres, and frankly, they were fine even with that power. You get used to them pretty quickly. So why did I use them over Advans? Because for the wheel sizes I had on the S2 (OZ's), AO39's were £750 a set vs. ~£350 for the Toyo's.
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