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boobles

Original Poster:

15,251 posts

246 months

Thursday 14th August 2008
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According to a new memeber called taz666. This was his first ever post on the "pie & piston"



actually owning up to paying over the odds for an elise when all it is , is a VAUXHALL VX220,in a poncy dress

tazz666

3 posts

219 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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look mate i actually worked for vauxhall and i was sub contracted to lotus at the time of elise and the vx220 was being built, on the same line, built with the same parts, except engines so basically you paid for a name, and it was well known at the time that the vauxhalls engine complimented the chassis better than the rover derived engine. so basically what i said was right,

kevin ritson

3,423 posts

258 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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Don't feed the troll.

Tony, got your padlock with you?

boobles

Original Poster:

15,251 posts

246 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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tazz666 said:
look mate i actually worked for vauxhall and i was sub contracted to lotus at the time of elise and the vx220 was being built, on the same line, built with the same parts, except engines so basically you paid for a name, and it was well known at the time that the vauxhalls engine complimented the chassis better than the rover derived engine. so basically what i said was right,
You are talking nonsence! The elise is better around the track & looks better!

Saied

1,575 posts

250 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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tazz666 said:
look mate i actually worked for vauxhall and i was sub contracted to lotus at the time of elise and the vx220 was being built, on the same line, built with the same parts, except engines so basically you paid for a name, and it was well known at the time that the vauxhalls engine complimented the chassis better than the rover derived engine. so basically what i said was right,
Little scrap of advice: Pay closer attention to what Mrs. Hall teaches in her English classes once term resumes in September.

tazz666

3 posts

219 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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boobles said:
tazz666 said:
look mate i actually worked for vauxhall and i was sub contracted to lotus at the time of elise and the vx220 was being built, on the same line, built with the same parts, except engines so basically you paid for a name, and it was well known at the time that the vauxhalls engine complimented the chassis better than the rover derived engine. so basically what i said was right,
You are talking nonsence! The elise is better around the track & looks better!
granted the lotus does look better but unfortunitly the chassis's are exactly the same,it is just the engine and clamshells that are different. the elise has grown into a better car but it wasnt always the case,

bogie

17,100 posts

303 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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Lotus had a great deal - get someone else to pay for them a new larger capacity production facility, in return for building a few cars for them

theres hundreds of threads on here and every other Lotus/vauxhall forum discussing the merits of each car, so lets just leave it at that

many people prefer a Jag X-type over the Mondeo, they are a few grand apart but basically the same chassis and engines, so the Jag is a "posh Mondeo" to some as the Lotus Elise and Europa could be posher versions of the VX220 then? .....but of course the VX isnt the mass production car that sells in the tens of thousands, no it was just a marketing exercise to get Vauxhall some cred, and never made it into real volume for some reason....

so thats it, SEOT, the VX is just a cheaper, softer, version of the Elise of the time, for those poor skint buggers attracted by the 0% finance over 3 years and such like as Vauxhall needed to give them away to sell em, it was a chance for those people to get into a great little sportscar.

For those that dreamed of owning a Lotus ...well most just went out and bought one as badge snobbery is still one of the greatest marketing tools out there ...just ask Aston Martin and Ferrari wink

boobles

Original Poster:

15,251 posts

246 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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tazz666 said:
boobles said:
tazz666 said:
look mate i actually worked for vauxhall and i was sub contracted to lotus at the time of elise and the vx220 was being built, on the same line, built with the same parts, except engines so basically you paid for a name, and it was well known at the time that the vauxhalls engine complimented the chassis better than the rover derived engine. so basically what i said was right,
You are talking nonsence! The elise is better around the track & looks better!
granted the lotus does look better but unfortunitly the chassis's are exactly the same,it is just the engine and clamshells that are different. the elise has grown into a better car but it wasnt always the case,
You seem to be some what out of depth here my friend.

ShinyAndy

217 posts

293 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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LOL, I'd love to get involved here but having owned all three variants of the VX220 I'd better shut up

Fidgits

17,202 posts

260 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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rofl

it was built on the same production line, with the same chassis, but has different components (suspension, engine etc...) but is still the same car?



VladTheDad

1,086 posts

248 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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tazz666 said:
so basically you paid for a name
Yeah but what a name!

boobles

Original Poster:

15,251 posts

246 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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I personally love both the elise & vx & have had the privilege of owning an elise but i certainly no the difference between them both.

patmahe

5,921 posts

235 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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Whatever about the differences - my soul feels better driving a lotus than it ever would driving a vauxhall. If I owned a VX I have no doubt I'd enjoy it, but I'd feel it was lacking something. Thats PART of the reason why I bought the lotus.

If you ever get to the point where you could own one maybe you'll know what we're talking about.



Edited by patmahe on Friday 15th August 13:58

ShinyAndy

217 posts

293 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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patmahe said:
If I owned a VX I have no doubt I'd enjoy it, but I'd feel it was lacking something. Thats PART of the reason why I bought the lotus.
You had a small penis?

patmahe

5,921 posts

235 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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ShinyAndy said:
patmahe said:
If I owned a VX I have no doubt I'd enjoy it, but I'd feel it was lacking something. Thats PART of the reason why I bought the lotus.
You had a small penis?
[sarcasm]Yes ShinyAndy you comic genius I have a small penis, well done you thumbup [/sarcasm]

ShinyAndy

217 posts

293 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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I found myself mainly lacking problems with dealers, engines, things falling off and high servicing/maintenance costs when I owned mine? Is that more the things you were thinking of?

patmahe

5,921 posts

235 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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ShinyAndy said:
I found myself mainly lacking problems with dealers, engines, things falling off and high servicing/maintenance costs when I owned mine? Is that more the things you were thinking of?
I've found mine pleasantly cheap to run compare to what I was expecting, I keep mine serviced with a specialist and to date have had no major problems (touches wood). I respect the VX220 for what it is and have no problem with anyone who has one (in fact I respect them as a fellow petrolhead) but I dont agree with attacking anyone elses choices based on my own prejudices(like taz666 has done). The lotus elise is what some people want and the vauxhall vx220 is what others want - its horses for courses.

ShinyAndy

217 posts

293 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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So what did you think the VX lacked?

Gooby

9,269 posts

265 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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VladTheDad said:
tazz666 said:
so basically you paid for a name
Yeah but what a name!
Agreed - I would pay not to have the vauxhall name. Judging by the sodding arsetra that is ment to be "courtesy", every extra penny to have "lotus" written on my car is a penny well spent.

patmahe

5,921 posts

235 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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ShinyAndy said:
So what did you think the VX lacked?
Soul - it was a fine copy but not the original IMO - sounds silly but it was worth it to me