Honda vs Audi - Power ceiling?
Discussion
M030ef00 said:
Which engine can be tuned highest power/Torque?
I see someone has a 495BHP Audi, can you do the same with a Honda SC?
How far can we push it before the chassis starts to bend?
basically, the answer is how deep your wallet is, both engines can make silly power, just a case of can you afford it?I see someone has a 495BHP Audi, can you do the same with a Honda SC?
How far can we push it before the chassis starts to bend?
as for the chassis, this is already an issue to some extent with the sub-frame, that said, it's containable.
But how much do you really need, even on track?
Forget the numbers for a minute, because we often tend to think of power numbers in the context of cars weighing 1800kg (RS6, Aston Martin etc), not ones weighing 800kg. Go out in a 350 bhp chargecooled SC honda - it is completely, mentally, face bendingly, licence losingly quick. So too the big power audi converted cars.
As bogie and scuffers have said, how much you can get depends on how deep your pockets are. You could have the honda bored and stroked out to over 2.5l if you really wanted. With the right setup you could probably get 500bhp. There are quite a few turbo audi engines that have been bored out and tinkered to well in excess of 500bhp (though not in elises). Whether in the real world these cars would be any quicker than the 350 bhp versions remains to be seen. I imagine that every other part of the car would get quite a hammering - driveshafts, drivetrain etc.
Forget the numbers for a minute, because we often tend to think of power numbers in the context of cars weighing 1800kg (RS6, Aston Martin etc), not ones weighing 800kg. Go out in a 350 bhp chargecooled SC honda - it is completely, mentally, face bendingly, licence losingly quick. So too the big power audi converted cars.
As bogie and scuffers have said, how much you can get depends on how deep your pockets are. You could have the honda bored and stroked out to over 2.5l if you really wanted. With the right setup you could probably get 500bhp. There are quite a few turbo audi engines that have been bored out and tinkered to well in excess of 500bhp (though not in elises). Whether in the real world these cars would be any quicker than the 350 bhp versions remains to be seen. I imagine that every other part of the car would get quite a hammering - driveshafts, drivetrain etc.
I think it may be a turbo from Owen Developments thats in one of the high powered Audi engined cars. As said, all depends on cash. Start talking to subaru bods and some have spend 80k on their cars to get over 600bhp. Silly money. They can then be difficult to drive as the turbo is so big it takes longer to spool up. You will probably be faster on track with less bhp as a smaller turbo can give you a better spread of torque and more useable power.
Top Fuel managed to get 500bhp out of a stroked 1.6 EK9! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=853sUOa4ksE&fea... so hell knows what they can get out of a 2.0 K20A.
Having driven a SC CC Honda S2 380bhp it is as close to warp drive I imagine you can get in an elise, not afraid to say it scared the living s
t out of me!
Having driven a SC CC Honda S2 380bhp it is as close to warp drive I imagine you can get in an elise, not afraid to say it scared the living s
t out of me!Edited by VTECMatt on Friday 27th March 22:28
You do get used to the power quite quickly though. However I agree, at times it can be scary, especially when you hit a damp patch in the road at peak torque. Mine's got a little more bhp than Andy's and is probably lighter and I still crave more. Might have do do something about that this winter.
VTECMatt said:
Top Fuel managed to get 500bhp out of a stroked 1.6 EK9! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=853sUOa4ksE&fea... so hell knows what they can get out of a 2.0 K20A.
Having driven a SC CC Honda S2 380bhp it is as close to warp drive I imagine you can get in an elise, not afraid to say it scared the living st out of me!
The most powerful K20 I've known was in excess of 700bhp.Having driven a SC CC Honda S2 380bhp it is as close to warp drive I imagine you can get in an elise, not afraid to say it scared the living s
t out of me!Edited by VTECMatt on Friday 27th March 22:28
Completely pointless and a 300bhp is far more tractable and most certainly far quicker 9/10th's of the time.
jamwill79 said:
You do get used to the power quite quickly though. However I agree, at times it can be scary, especially when you hit a damp patch in the road at peak torque. Mine's got a little more bhp than Andy's and is probably lighter and I still crave more. Might have do do something about that this winter.
Andy mentioned your car was quicker and lighter which must be mad. The thing apart from being st scared was it was so easy to put the power down, except round a corner 
que big power slide! Ordinary_Chap said:
VTECMatt said:
Top Fuel managed to get 500bhp out of a stroked 1.6 EK9! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=853sUOa4ksE&fea... so hell knows what they can get out of a 2.0 K20A.
Having driven a SC CC Honda S2 380bhp it is as close to warp drive I imagine you can get in an elise, not afraid to say it scared the living st out of me!
The most powerful K20 I've known was in excess of 700bhp.Having driven a SC CC Honda S2 380bhp it is as close to warp drive I imagine you can get in an elise, not afraid to say it scared the living s
t out of me!Edited by VTECMatt on Friday 27th March 22:28
Completely pointless and a 300bhp is far more tractable and most certainly far quicker 9/10th's of the time.
Scuffers said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
VTECMatt said:
Top Fuel managed to get 500bhp out of a stroked 1.6 EK9! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=853sUOa4ksE&fea... so hell knows what they can get out of a 2.0 K20A.
Having driven a SC CC Honda S2 380bhp it is as close to warp drive I imagine you can get in an elise, not afraid to say it scared the living st out of me!
The most powerful K20 I've known was in excess of 700bhp.Having driven a SC CC Honda S2 380bhp it is as close to warp drive I imagine you can get in an elise, not afraid to say it scared the living s
t out of me!Edited by VTECMatt on Friday 27th March 22:28
Completely pointless and a 300bhp is far more tractable and most certainly far quicker 9/10th's of the time.
For me that sort of power is entirely pointless in terms of drivability. The reason I love the Elise, is it's about the drive and a standard K20a is brilliant in the car.
I've followed a lightly tweaked one 220bhp odd and that was awesome.
Interesting thread, as said you get used to the power very quickly, only had mine converted to n/a Honda in December and already thinking of SC (next year I owe Mrs FW a new kitchen first). I did use to ride bikes though so my car is only just getting near to the acceleration I was used to.
Thing is I am not sure how satisfying this would be. No chance to use the power on the road (not in the South of England anyway) On track days my car is already one of the quicker cars on the LoT events I have attended this year (running Kumho road tyres). SC power and sticky tyres would mean that only a couple of cars each track day would be in the same league, which would make things a little dull.
That said it's a slippery slope which I have already started down, I was warned when I made noises regarding engine conversions and threads like this don't help.
Thing is I am not sure how satisfying this would be. No chance to use the power on the road (not in the South of England anyway) On track days my car is already one of the quicker cars on the LoT events I have attended this year (running Kumho road tyres). SC power and sticky tyres would mean that only a couple of cars each track day would be in the same league, which would make things a little dull.
That said it's a slippery slope which I have already started down, I was warned when I made noises regarding engine conversions and threads like this don't help.
You do indeed get used to it very quickly ! being an ex biker I wanted to get somewhere near the performance of a big bike - which mine certainly is now- however I still can't get it to wheelie and I have no chance of getting my knee down!!
however its great fun on trackdays chasing some of the more exotic machines..
The Elise chassis is superb and it handles my 495BHP remarkably well...
however its great fun on trackdays chasing some of the more exotic machines..
The Elise chassis is superb and it handles my 495BHP remarkably well...
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