HGF!

[Boggy]

HGF!

All,

One of my buddys has just had this, he lives in Bromley and has £500 AA cover for repairs so has to be VAT registered

I've suggested Lipscombs, Sinclair's, Castle I said around £900 any other suggestions?

Boggy

[Scuffers]

Boggy said:

HGF!

All,

One of my buddys has just had this, he lives in Bromley and has £500 AA cover for repairs so has to be VAT registered

I've suggested Lipscombs, Sinclair's, Castle I said around £900 any other suggestions?

Boggy

I would suggest £500 is enough (assuming no other damage)

[Boggy]

Scuffers said:

Boggy said:

HGF!

All,

One of my buddys has just had this, he lives in Bromley and has £500 AA cover for repairs so has to be VAT registered

I've suggested Lipscombs, Sinclair's, Castle I said around £900 any other suggestions?

Boggy

I would suggest £500 is enough (assuming no other damage)

Cheers Simon

Boggy

[SeanyD]

Yep HGF is around £500 quid repair, and thats at a top notch Lotus dealer.

[JTBUSH]

Ive just done my own HG repair and its cost me more than £500
Ive replaced

Gaskets
Long Bolts
Water Pump
Cam belt
Cam belt tensioner
Alternator belt
PRT
Oil Seals
Plus head hardness test/ peening of fire rings/ skim

I had the HG done last year for £500 and its gone again a year later.

Id recommend spending as much as you can on doing the right things to try to ensure it doesnt happen again rather than just a cheapo fix.

[ruston]

JTBUSH said:

Ive just done my own HG repair and its cost me more than £500
Ive replaced

Gaskets
Long Bolts
Water Pump
Cam belt
Cam belt tensioner
Alternator belt
PRT
Oil Seals
Plus head hardness test/ peening of fire rings/ skim

I had the HG done last year for £500 and its gone again a year later.

Id recommend spending as much as you can on doing the right things to try to ensure it doesnt happen again rather than just a cheapo fix.

Hopefully you also checked your cylinder liner heights or you might be doing it all again soon...

[JTBUSH]

Of course I checked my cylinder liner heights, but seeing as that didnt cost me anything, I didnt bother listing it in the things Ive bought!

[ruston]

JTBUSH said:

Of course I checked my cylinder liner heights, but seeing as that didnt cost me anything, I didnt bother listing it in the things Ive bought!

OK. It's probably one of the most critical aspects to get the gasket to seal and is often forgotten/ignored.

[missdiane]

Ours was £700 at Gugliemis last August, but that was with a couple of other minor things
Plus having a big service due for Jan this year- most of it was covered when they done the HGF repairs, so Jan was cheaper than we expected

[Scuffers]

JTBUSH said:

Ive just done my own HG repair and its cost me more than £500
Ive replaced

Gaskets
Long Bolts
Water Pump
Cam belt
Cam belt tensioner
Alternator belt
PRT
Oil Seals
Plus head hardness test/ peening of fire rings/ skim

I had the HG done last year for £500 and its gone again a year later.

Id recommend spending as much as you can on doing the right things to try to ensure it doesnt happen again rather than just a cheapo fix.

and the relevance of adding in all the non HG related stuff is?

[ADM 135S]

Geoff at Esprit Engineering is good.

Haven't needed a HG, but took my car there a fews years back when all electrics failed, turned out to be coil.
We had a good chat about HGF, he showed me the diference between the old style and new HG.

According to his website, a fixed price of £500

http://www.espritengineering.co.uk/menus/main.asp?...

Adrian

[missdiane]

Scuffers said:

JTBUSH said:

stuff

and the relevance of adding in all the non HG related stuff is?

they did similar on ours- as C service was due 6 months later, they thought it would make economical sense to do the extra stuff whilst engine was apart

[Scuffers]

missdiane said:

Scuffers said:

JTBUSH said:

stuff

and the relevance of adding in all the non HG related stuff is?

they did similar on ours- as C service was due 6 months later, they thought it would make economical sense to do the extra stuff whilst engine was apart

fair enough, but that's not really very relevant is it?

[JTBUSH]

Scuffers said:

JTBUSH said:

Ive just done my own HG repair and its cost me more than £500
Ive replaced

Gaskets
Long Bolts
Water Pump
Cam belt
Cam belt tensioner
Alternator belt
PRT
Oil Seals
Plus head hardness test/ peening of fire rings/ skim

I had the HG done last year for £500 and its gone again a year later.

Id recommend spending as much as you can on doing the right things to try to ensure it doesnt happen again rather than just a cheapo fix.

and the relevance of adding in all the non HG related stuff is?

What is the non HG related stuff?

When the head is off, is not worth changing the cam belt along with the tensioner and the water pump? (Unless its been done in the last year)

If the heads been stripped in order to skim, is it not worth changing the oil seals?

PRT is something which seems pretty essential to mitigate against future HGF?

The cost and work involved in all of the "non hg related stuff" is peanuts compared to the stuff which I considered a must to change.

Ie, PRT, long bolts, water pump, gaskets and cylinder head testing/ work!

Dont understand the logic in taking part of the engine apart to fix the head gasket, then skimping on doing a bit more work/ spending a bit more money putting back new components rather than using old!

Edited by JTBUSH on Wednesday 1st April 23:03

[Matt172]

JTBUSH said:

Scuffers said:

JTBUSH said:

Ive just done my own HG repair and its cost me more than £500
Ive replaced

Gaskets
Long Bolts
Water Pump
Cam belt
Cam belt tensioner
Alternator belt
PRT
Oil Seals
Plus head hardness test/ peening of fire rings/ skim

I had the HG done last year for £500 and its gone again a year later.

Id recommend spending as much as you can on doing the right things to try to ensure it doesnt happen again rather than just a cheapo fix.

and the relevance of adding in all the non HG related stuff is?

What is the non HG related stuff?

When the head is off, is not worth changing the cam belt along with the tensioner and the water pump? (Unless its been done in the last year)

If the heads been stripped in order to skim, is it not worth changing the oil seals?

PRT is something which seems pretty essential to mitigate against future HGF?

The cost of the "non hg related stuff" is peanuts compared to the stuff which I considered a must to change.

Ie, PRT, long bolts, water pump, gaskets and cylinder head testing/ work!

I was just trying to post the same sort of reply, whilst you have the engine split like that, surely it is a no brainer to get the cambelt etc changed?

[Scuffers]

point and missed...

unless the bolts are streached, then there really is no point in changing them.

Cam belt costs peanuts, etc, so how do you get to £700?

last one I did cost ~70 in bit's and 3 hours, that's not £700...

[JTBUSH]

In my opinion, once the stretch bolts are 7 years old, its probably prudent to change them. I dont understand re using old components which are relatively cheap to replace! I know things add up, but for the difference in price Id rather ensure Id done everything which is practical to try and stop it happening again.

[missdiane]

I was writing our experience of costs on here for the whole bill we spent in a specialised garage...in an effort for a different point of view.
Neither of us are mechanically minded enough to do work like that on the car to reduce that cost.
Given that ours is now 12 years old, some of that work was probably long overdue.

[Matt172]

Scuffers said:

last one I did cost ~70 in bit's and 3 hours, that's not £700...

so how did you get to the price of £500 then? unless you charge £140 an hour

[Scuffers]

Matt172 said:

Scuffers said:

last one I did cost ~70 in bit's and 3 hours, that's not £700...

so how did you get to the price of £500 then? unless you charge £140 an hour

easy, I am not a garage.

I actually said:

Scuffers said:

I would suggest £500 is enough (assuming no other damage)

ie. £500 is enough to cover it, not that it would cost £500

Plenty of garages will do the job for this or less.