Honda kit on E-bay

[AdrianR]

Anyone have personal experience of fitting this kit?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

AdrianR

[JTBUSH]

Thats one of stomin normans kits of SELOC. Go to engine conversions section on there and you will see lots of discussion.

[AdrianR]

On Seloc I found lots of discussion about personalities and business ethics, but nothing useful about actually fitting the kit!

AdrianR

[Mr Darcy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thats soooooo seloc.

[bogie]

LOL

ever considered why no-one really talks about DIYing though ?

because only a handful have done it ...versus a few hundred pro installs

its not exactly a mass market game ...its a few hundred people out of 30,000 cars in existence ...compare that to conversions on mainstream cars and the numbers are ten or 50 fold, and well documented.......

[worldwidewebs]

Adrian,
I see you've had a Westfield - top man! If you enjoyed tinkering around with kit cars you'll have no problem fitting the conversion. Steve (stormin norman) is an ex-Westie owner himself and will happily guide you through it or even do it for you for a nominal fee. Drop me a PM if you need more info

[jackal]

is there a DIY kit for an Exige S2 ?

[JTBUSH]

No.

I think its been done, but im pretty sure there isnt actually a kit for it!

Edited by JTBUSH on Friday 5th February 18:41

[Scuffers]

amazing, I wonder how he came up with exactly the same designed parts as mine....

[Benjam]

A blatant rip-off of the Link-Up parts... get yourself over to SELOC if you want to see what the supplier is really like!

[Scuffers]

jackal said:

is there a kit for an Exige S2 ?

yes thanks!

Edited by Scuffers on Friday 5th February 20:44

[AdrianR]

Are Link-up going to start selling kits then? I'd have thought you would have done enough conversions to pay off the R&D by now.

Doesn't have to have all the latest tweaks or make every last BHP, just be well engineered and straightforward to fit. You can do some nice chassis plates and an official register to maintain the value of the turnkey conversions and sell something direct in parallel to appeal to those of us who are not averse to a bit of spannering.

AdrianR

[Scuffers]

AdrianR said:

Are Link-up going to start selling kits then? I'd have thought you would have done enough conversions to pay off the R&D by now.

Doesn't have to have all the latest tweaks or make every last BHP, just be well engineered and straightforward to fit. You can do some nice chassis plates and an official register to maintain the value of the turnkey conversions and sell something direct in parallel to appeal to those of us who are not averse to a bit of spannering.

AdrianR

you want to pay my product liability insurance bill then?

[Boggy]

Scuffers said:

AdrianR said:

Are Link-up going to start selling kits then? I'd have thought you would have done enough conversions to pay off the R&D by now.

Doesn't have to have all the latest tweaks or make every last BHP, just be well engineered and straightforward to fit. You can do some nice chassis plates and an official register to maintain the value of the turnkey conversions and sell something direct in parallel to appeal to those of us who are not averse to a bit of spannering.

AdrianR

you want to pay my product liability insurance bill then?

lol! I think your treading on thin ice here, Simon has put a lot of time money into this kit

Boggy

[AdrianR]

Scuffers said:

you want to pay my product liability insurance bill then?

Well, obviously yes, if I buy from you or any legitimate business it means I am happy to pay my share of your running costs. If you sell the same well engineered parts as you include in the turn keys then surely it can't be an insurmountable problem? Yes, you will be more expensive than Fred in a Shed but your reputation, service and backup should be worth the extra.

After all, EliseParts will quite happily sell me a kit of brakes to install myself, so why not an engine?

Adrian
(edited to add original quote for clarity)

Edited by AdrianR on Friday 5th February 21:26

[Scuffers]

AdrianR said:

Scuffers said:

you want to pay my product liability insurance bill then?

Well, obviously yes, if I buy from you or any legitimate business it means I am happy to pay my share of your running costs. If you sell the same well engineered parts as you include in the turn keys then surely it can't be an insurmountable problem? Yes, you will be more expensive than Fred in a Shed but your reputation, service and backup should be worth the extra.

After all, EliseParts will quite happily sell me a kit of brakes to install myself, so why not an engine?

Adrian
(edited to add original quote for clarity)

without going into details, there is quite a large difference in a brake kit to an engine transplant as far as insurance goes, the volume of sales does not justify the additional costs of product liability for DIY installs, as well as staffing up for the support that would be required.

Oh and to answer your earlier assumption, no the initial investment will never get re-coped in my lifetime, I never did this to make money, I did it so I could go racing, the rest was just because people wanted it.

[AdrianR]

Fair point, if you don't want to deal with the great unwashed masses then so be it!

Not convinced about the liability thing though...I suspect I could find an equivalent non-Honda part to every part of your kit on Elise parts already (engine mounts, engines, exhaust, gearbox, driveshafts...), for which they are presumably covered, but as you say if it's not what you're interested doing then why bother trying to sort it out.

AdrianR

[Scuffers]

AdrianR said:

Fair point, if you don't want to deal with the great unwashed masses then so be it!

Not convinced about the liability thing though...I suspect I could find an equivalent non-Honda part to every part of your kit on Elise parts already (engine mounts, engines, exhaust, gearbox, driveshafts...), for which they are presumably covered, but as you say if it's not what you're interested doing then why bother trying to sort it out.

AdrianR

that's not the point, the parts are covered, it's the DIY aspect that's not.

if you really don't understand this stuff, go talk it though with a liability lawyer or insurance broker.

why you feel the need to bring up the "great unwashed masses" bit is beyond me.....

Edited by Scuffers on Saturday 6th February 18:51

[AdrianR]

This it all seems to have become rather bad tempered which was not my intention so I think best to stop here.

If anyone else happens to have any comments about the merits of the various DIY Honda kits feel free to email me direct.

Regards,
AdrianR

Edited by AdrianR on Sunday 7th February 10:43

[S Works]

I think Simon's been very reasonable and explained himself, no need to get shirty.

With a small amount of thought from his perspective you could possibly work out that it's simply not worthwhile to 'support' the DIY market unless he has an invested interest in doing so. Given that he doesn't, I'm not at all surprised that he is unwilling to extend his investment to that.

Think of the support that Westfield, Caterham etc. have to put in place for DIY builds and then consider why one man (who does this as a hobby) isn't willing to do so. Simples.