Trapped again!
Discussion
16:20ish this evening
Two lanes entering Medway Tunnel from the Gillingham side with a slip road joining at the entrance.
50MPH LIMIT
It's dark so everyone's got their lights on
I'm in a 52 year old Land Rover (not a sports car)
I'm in lane one, I know there's a slip-road joining over a blind crest so I back off slightly (down from 40 to 35ish mph) and check mirrors. Motorbike behind, car in lane 2 hovering in my blind-spot.
Two cars joining from the slip-road are a blue hatch and a Silver Citroen
I can't go into lane 2 because the car in lane 2 is too close but won't pass.
I check the mirrors again.
I can't brake because the lights on car in lane 2 are dazzling me in the mirrors and I can't see the motorcycle.
So I really back off and take my foot off the gas.
The blue car joins but doesn't accelerate
The Silver Citroen can't join cause he's along side me fast running out of slip road.
In the time I have to make a decision I think of 3 options:
A) Brake hard and risk taking out the motorcycle
B) Wipe out the Citroen trying to join
C) Take avoiding action by cutting up the guy in lane 2
What other choices did I have?
And which one should I have taken?
Not wanting to kill a motorcyclist I took option (C) I don't know who hit their horn to show their displeasure, I'm assuming the car I cut off in lane 2... I think the motorcycle took the exit slip just after I checked the mirror the 1st time cause I never saw him again.
Neal
ETA: I know it was a bad choice BUT A) I was in a 1960's car with no seat belts
and B) the vehicle doesn't belong to me (even though I am FULLY INSURED to drive it)so accepting a collision (option's A & B) wasn't my first choice.
Two lanes entering Medway Tunnel from the Gillingham side with a slip road joining at the entrance.
50MPH LIMIT
It's dark so everyone's got their lights on
I'm in a 52 year old Land Rover (not a sports car)
I'm in lane one, I know there's a slip-road joining over a blind crest so I back off slightly (down from 40 to 35ish mph) and check mirrors. Motorbike behind, car in lane 2 hovering in my blind-spot.
Two cars joining from the slip-road are a blue hatch and a Silver Citroen
I can't go into lane 2 because the car in lane 2 is too close but won't pass.
I check the mirrors again.
I can't brake because the lights on car in lane 2 are dazzling me in the mirrors and I can't see the motorcycle.
So I really back off and take my foot off the gas.
The blue car joins but doesn't accelerate
The Silver Citroen can't join cause he's along side me fast running out of slip road.
In the time I have to make a decision I think of 3 options:
A) Brake hard and risk taking out the motorcycle
B) Wipe out the Citroen trying to join
C) Take avoiding action by cutting up the guy in lane 2
What other choices did I have?
And which one should I have taken?
Not wanting to kill a motorcyclist I took option (C) I don't know who hit their horn to show their displeasure, I'm assuming the car I cut off in lane 2... I think the motorcycle took the exit slip just after I checked the mirror the 1st time cause I never saw him again.
Neal
ETA: I know it was a bad choice BUT A) I was in a 1960's car with no seat belts
and B) the vehicle doesn't belong to me (even though I am FULLY INSURED to drive it)so accepting a collision (option's A & B) wasn't my first choice.
Edited by real4star on Saturday 8th December 18:41
Edited by real4star on Saturday 8th December 19:12
the stigs dad said:
B. the slip road is a give way; existing traffic has right of way.
100% this.Problem is 99% of drivers in the UK don't know anything about motorway driving and the Citroen driver would have probably assumed he has ROW to join the carriageway regardless.
Collisions would have ensued.
Legally, don't let people in; they're supposed to be giving way.
Logically, ease off the accelerator more and earlier, brake if necessary. Whoever is behind you should be leaving a safety gap, and it's not your responsibility to give up your safety in exchange for theirs. If it's a motorcyclist up against the back of a landie you'll likely not even see a scratch on your bumper.
PH Style, deploy the turbo boost and jump out of trouble.
Logically, ease off the accelerator more and earlier, brake if necessary. Whoever is behind you should be leaving a safety gap, and it's not your responsibility to give up your safety in exchange for theirs. If it's a motorcyclist up against the back of a landie you'll likely not even see a scratch on your bumper.
PH Style, deploy the turbo boost and jump out of trouble.
davepoth said:
Legally, don't let people in; they're supposed to be giving way.
Logically, ease off the accelerator more and earlier, brake if necessary. Whoever is behind you should be leaving a safety gap, and it's not your responsibility to give up your safety in exchange for theirs. If it's a motorcyclist up against the back of a landie you'll likely not even see a scratch on your bumper.
PH Style, deploy the turbo boost and jump out of trouble.
This ^^Logically, ease off the accelerator more and earlier, brake if necessary. Whoever is behind you should be leaving a safety gap, and it's not your responsibility to give up your safety in exchange for theirs. If it's a motorcyclist up against the back of a landie you'll likely not even see a scratch on your bumper.
PH Style, deploy the turbo boost and jump out of trouble.
Dangerous Dan said:
the stigs dad said:
B. the slip road is a give way; existing traffic has right of way.
100% this.Problem is 99% of drivers in the UK don't know anything about motorway driving and the Citroen driver would have probably assumed he has ROW to join the carriageway regardless.
Collisions would have ensued.
trun driver will get hurt & not buy french again either.Max_Torque said:
davepoth said:
PH Style, deploy the turbo boost and jump out of trouble.
Wouldn't it have been a lot easier to just use the lift like everyone else?? ;-)As he was flying through the air, I bet Michael Knight was thinking "I wish I was on Airwolf".
What should you do? Avoid a collision by using the available space.
The Citroen driver should be shot or, he should have filtered in behind you.
One thing though .. if you had not slowed before the junction how far ahead of both cars would you have been?
I often see people slow up on the main carriageway which buggers the people trying to join who thought the car on the main carriageway would be past them by the time they want to join.
The Citroen driver should be shot or, he should have filtered in behind you.
One thing though .. if you had not slowed before the junction how far ahead of both cars would you have been?
I often see people slow up on the main carriageway which buggers the people trying to join who thought the car on the main carriageway would be past them by the time they want to join.
Munter said:
One thing though .. if you had not slowed before the junction how far ahead of both cars would you have been?
I often see people slow up on the main carriageway which buggers the people trying to join who thought the car on the main carriageway would be past them by the time they want to join.
This slip road has a high concrete divider so you can't see the carriage way your joining till the last 150-200yards.I often see people slow up on the main carriageway which buggers the people trying to join who thought the car on the main carriageway would be past them by the time they want to join.
I backed off initially to let the guy in lane 2 (the one in my blind spot) pass so I could move out to clear lane 1 for the slip road... but he didn't pass, he slowed down as well.
Neal
PS: Turbo boost, in a 1960 Land Rover?
davepoth said:
real4star said:
PS: Turbo boost, in a 1960 Land Rover?
I take it you've not tried to flick the top off the gearstick then? that's where the button is.
Which gearstick? there are 3, a black one, a red one and yellow one
Neal
Black= 1-2-3-4-R
Yellow= 2wd/4wd selector
Red= High-2wd/Neutral/Low-4wd range on the transfer box
Trapped again that's exactly what you done you boxed yourself in!
When on a motorway approaching a off slip you should be expecting there to be a on slip shortly after therefore anticipate that there will be vehicles joining and move over to lane two nice and early if you pass the on slip and no one joins its not a problem you move back two lane one when safe to do so.If vehicles where to join you are already in lane two and will not be bothered by vehicles in lane one.
If approaching a junction to leave and lane one becomes the off slip and the motorway becomes two lanes you can expect the on slip two become lane one and you can hold your position in lane two,moving back to lane one when safe to do so. Take notice of all the signs they tell you what is going on.
When joining match your speed to that of the vehicles on the motorway signal your intention and join.
Jaspermolly
When on a motorway approaching a off slip you should be expecting there to be a on slip shortly after therefore anticipate that there will be vehicles joining and move over to lane two nice and early if you pass the on slip and no one joins its not a problem you move back two lane one when safe to do so.If vehicles where to join you are already in lane two and will not be bothered by vehicles in lane one.
If approaching a junction to leave and lane one becomes the off slip and the motorway becomes two lanes you can expect the on slip two become lane one and you can hold your position in lane two,moving back to lane one when safe to do so. Take notice of all the signs they tell you what is going on.
When joining match your speed to that of the vehicles on the motorway signal your intention and join.
Jaspermolly
jaspermolly said:
Trapped again that's exactly what you done you boxed yourself in!
When on a motorway approaching a off slip you should be expecting there to be a on slip shortly after therefore anticipate that there will be vehicles joining and move over to lane two nice and early if you pass the on slip and no one joins its not a problem you move back two lane one when safe to do so.If vehicles where to join you are already in lane two and will not be bothered by vehicles in lane one.
If approaching a junction to leave and lane one becomes the off slip and the motorway becomes two lanes you can expect the on slip two become lane one and you can hold your position in lane two,moving back to lane one when safe to do so. Take notice of all the signs they tell you what is going on.
When joining match your speed to that of the vehicles on the motorway signal your intention and join.
Jaspermolly
Works, in a perfect world. In reality if you move out into lane 2 early, in heavy traffic, you're only going to pWhen on a motorway approaching a off slip you should be expecting there to be a on slip shortly after therefore anticipate that there will be vehicles joining and move over to lane two nice and early if you pass the on slip and no one joins its not a problem you move back two lane one when safe to do so.If vehicles where to join you are already in lane two and will not be bothered by vehicles in lane one.
If approaching a junction to leave and lane one becomes the off slip and the motorway becomes two lanes you can expect the on slip two become lane one and you can hold your position in lane two,moving back to lane one when safe to do so. Take notice of all the signs they tell you what is going on.
When joining match your speed to that of the vehicles on the motorway signal your intention and join.
Jaspermolly
s off the guy in L2 behind you, and probably end up with something coming up your inside.Anticipate something joining, move yourself into position with a gap ready to move out into if necessary, but in heavy traffic as described don't just move "in case".
ShampooEfficient said:
jaspermolly said:
Trapped again that's exactly what you done you boxed yourself in!
When on a motorway approaching a off slip you should be expecting there to be a on slip shortly after therefore anticipate that there will be vehicles joining and move over to lane two nice and early if you pass the on slip and no one joins its not a problem you move back two lane one when safe to do so.If vehicles where to join you are already in lane two and will not be bothered by vehicles in lane one.
If approaching a junction to leave and lane one becomes the off slip and the motorway becomes two lanes you can expect the on slip two become lane one and you can hold your position in lane two,moving back to lane one when safe to do so. Take notice of all the signs they tell you what is going on.
When joining match your speed to that of the vehicles on the motorway signal your intention and join.
Jaspermolly
Works, in a perfect world. In reality if you move out into lane 2 early, in heavy traffic, you're only going to pWhen on a motorway approaching a off slip you should be expecting there to be a on slip shortly after therefore anticipate that there will be vehicles joining and move over to lane two nice and early if you pass the on slip and no one joins its not a problem you move back two lane one when safe to do so.If vehicles where to join you are already in lane two and will not be bothered by vehicles in lane one.
If approaching a junction to leave and lane one becomes the off slip and the motorway becomes two lanes you can expect the on slip two become lane one and you can hold your position in lane two,moving back to lane one when safe to do so. Take notice of all the signs they tell you what is going on.
When joining match your speed to that of the vehicles on the motorway signal your intention and join.
Jaspermolly
s off the guy in L2 behind you, and probably end up with something coming up your inside.Anticipate something joining, move yourself into position with a gap ready to move out into if necessary, but in heavy traffic as described don't just move "in case".
Neal
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