Dedicated lanes on roundabouts - indicating.

[Vron]

Morning.

Can anyone confirm please.

If you are in a dedicated lane e.g right turn onto a roundabout do you still have to indicate on approach and whilst on the roundabout to comply with the Highway Code (I mean to the code. Not whether you ‘should’ or not).

I know you have to indicate left to show you are planning on exiting, but I understand a dedicated lane means you don’t have to indicate if you’re going in the dedicated direction.




Thanks.

[Super Sonic]

I would indicate.

[RazerSauber]

I indicate anyway. Better to have a signal not needed than a missing one that was required. I also find it means I'm autonomous when indicating and don't miss one if there's a lot going on. It's not like anyone can realistically get confused it someone is indicating left in a left only lane, is it?

[Smint]

As above, regardless of what the HC says in hypothetical situations, in reality the roads are stuffed with incompetents who haven't a clue what they're doing, so those of us who confirm where we are going can only help keep things flowing.

So many dedicated lanes become confusing to strangers especially as each junction is passed and the lanes move over, arrows on the road itself and overhead signs are useless if you've got a couple of artics or buses in front, proper indicating just makes things better for everyone.

[paulrockliffe]

Who are you signalling your intent to? The people behind you don't care, the people already on the roundabout don't care either, because they have priority and you're not asking for permission are you? So you signal and people on the roundabout wonder if you're a muppet and slow down to accommodate the probability that you might be about to pull out on them.

Enter the roundabout then signal your intent to go around the roundabout until you need to signal your intent to leave the roundabout.

If you indicate just in case, to make sure you don't forget or whatever, you won't forget to indicate, but you might forget to think about what you're doing instead. Part of your decision-making process should be deciding whether you should indicate or not.

Next thing you know you'll be coming down the motorway slip road indicating right, just in case someone doesn't understand that you don't intend to drive up the grass verge at the end.

[MikeM6]

paulrockliffe said:

Who are you signalling your intent to? The people behind you don't care, the people already on the roundabout don't care either, because they have priority and you're not asking for permission are you? So you signal and people on the roundabout wonder if you're a muppet and slow down to accommodate the probability that you might be about to pull out on them.

Enter the roundabout then signal your intent to go around the roundabout until you need to signal your intent to leave the roundabout.

If you indicate just in case, to make sure you don't forget or whatever, you won't forget to indicate, but you might forget to think about what you're doing instead. Part of your decision-making process should be deciding whether you should indicate or not.

Next thing you know you'll be coming down the motorway slip road indicating right, just in case someone doesn't understand that you don't intend to drive up the grass verge at the end.

Not sure any of this makes much sense to be honest. Indicating when joining from a slip road is sensible to show your intention to all around you. You may argue it's not necessary, but I would say that you should never assume the competence of those around you and therefore you ought to act as though everyone needs to be told what you are doing, even if obvious. Your flashing light might just make someone notice you.

I agree you should always think about indicating, but the only time the logical conclusion is to not indicate is that there is no one around to see it.

[Foss62]

MikeM6 said:

Not sure any of this makes much sense to be honest. Indicating when joining from a slip road is sensible to show your intention to all around you. You may argue it's not necessary, but I would say that you should never assume the competence of those around you and therefore you ought to act as though everyone needs to be told what you are doing, even if obvious. Your flashing light might just make someone notice you.

I agree you should always think about indicating, but the only time the logical conclusion is to not indicate is that there is no one around to see it.

I would have thought that if you are established in a marked lane but indicating, then anyone who has only just seen you (eg someone entering a large roundabout after you) is quite likely to assume that you want to change lanes, rather than just showing what your intentions were before joining the roundabout.
As with passing obstacles close to side roads, or even closely spaced side roads, there are lots of situations where an ‘automatic’ turn signal could confuse and potentially do harm.
That’s why considering giving a signal rather than doing it automatically is part of Advanced Driving systems.

[Vron]

I’m looking for the answer from the Highway Code rather than what people should or shouldn’t do. I was taught if you were in a dedicated lane, then you don’t have to indicate as there’s no point in a dedicated lane otherwise.

I’ve been told yesterday even if there is a dedicated right lane at a roundabout, you should still indicate right (according to the HC) until you approach your exit then indicate left just before (which I agree with), and I should re-take my test.

I don’t think that’s what the HC I’ve pasted says?

[911hope]

Vron said:

I m looking for the answer from the Highway Code rather than what people should or shouldn t do. I was taught if you were in a dedicated lane, then you don t have to indicate as there s no point in a dedicated lane otherwise.

I ve been told yesterday even if there is a dedicated right lane at a roundabout, you should still indicate right (according to the HC) until you approach your exit then indicate left just before (which I agree with), and I should re-take my test.

I don t think that s what the HC I ve pasted says?

The answer should be in the highway code, which is published so it can be read.

You may also consider if these dedicated lanes have any practical effect, when invisible due to congestion, rain, dark, worn out paint....

[Vron]

911hope said:

Vron said:

I m looking for the answer from the Highway Code rather than what people should or shouldn t do. I was taught if you were in a dedicated lane, then you don t have to indicate as there s no point in a dedicated lane otherwise.

I ve been told yesterday even if there is a dedicated right lane at a roundabout, you should still indicate right (according to the HC) until you approach your exit then indicate left just before (which I agree with), and I should re-take my test.

I don t think that s what the HC I ve pasted says?

The answer should be in the highway code, which is published so it can be read.

You may also consider if these dedicated lanes have any practical effect, when invisible due to congestion, rain, dark, worn out paint....

I pasted the section in the original post. It appears people are interpreting it how they wish.