If overtaking and the car infront turns right?
Discussion
dibbers006 said:
<Von>
It would be ill-advised to overtake if there is any possibility of the car in front turning across your path.
Better assessment of the scenarios that could be played out would be a preferable future choice.
</Von>
It would go down as 50/50 in the current climate of Insurance, though depending on the exact situation.... I would be pretty f
ked off if you tried to overtake me as I wanted to turn Right.
Wot 'e said. When you pull out to assess the overtake you need to look at all the potential hazards and that includes farm gates. What if a tractor came OUT of the farm gate as you passed it? It would be ill-advised to overtake if there is any possibility of the car in front turning across your path.
Better assessment of the scenarios that could be played out would be a preferable future choice.
</Von>
It would go down as 50/50 in the current climate of Insurance, though depending on the exact situation.... I would be pretty f
ked off if you tried to overtake me as I wanted to turn Right.
Edited by Mr Grayson on Friday 11th September 12:37
this is quite a common farm tractor accident >>
Tractor batting along foot flat to floor at about 30mph
Tractor driver with ear defenders, deaf as farm gate post
Car comes up from behind, overtakes on clear straight road with no 'turnings'
Tractor turns right into field gateway - still with foot flat to floor.
Car either hits side of tractor and chewed up by giant tractor wheel
or brakes & veers off to right and ends up in ditch prior to gateway
or into field
I believe that in the first case the tractor insurance usually pays out as not using due care and attention.
Sometimes tractor driver will claim 'signalled', but this can be obscured by a plough or similar- so again tractor pays out
However if the car's in the ditch or field there's been no collision so tractor insurance will try not to pay.
Does that help?
Tractor batting along foot flat to floor at about 30mph
Tractor driver with ear defenders, deaf as farm gate post
Car comes up from behind, overtakes on clear straight road with no 'turnings'
Tractor turns right into field gateway - still with foot flat to floor.
Car either hits side of tractor and chewed up by giant tractor wheel
or brakes & veers off to right and ends up in ditch prior to gateway
or into field
I believe that in the first case the tractor insurance usually pays out as not using due care and attention.
Sometimes tractor driver will claim 'signalled', but this can be obscured by a plough or similar- so again tractor pays out
However if the car's in the ditch or field there's been no collision so tractor insurance will try not to pay.
Does that help?
Edited by saaby93 on Friday 11th September 13:56
My mother had this exact accident when I was little (yes okay that is many years ago), coming to collect me from the baby sitters, turning right into there drive on a national speed limit B road. Small van third back from her decided to overtake the line of slowing traffic. Sun was dead rear and blinded my mothers rear view.
All I really remember is my mum arriving to collect me by coming sideways through the hedge onto the lawn with a van in the drivers side.
5 years of insurance stress later and the case was settled 50/50 although the cynic in me wonders if that could be due to the fact both parties were with the same insurer so it was loose loose for them...
All I really remember is my mum arriving to collect me by coming sideways through the hedge onto the lawn with a van in the drivers side.
5 years of insurance stress later and the case was settled 50/50 although the cynic in me wonders if that could be due to the fact both parties were with the same insurer so it was loose loose for them...
EP2Nick said:
Responses noted, how do I look?
A few things that might be worth checking....Get a look in the field if there's a view available - you might glimpse big machinery, eg tractors, or horses and riders, that are close to the road and could become a threat. If there are hedgerows, look for gaps - these are sometimes nicely highlighted by lack of shadows on the road and if that gap is then filled with a shadow chances are something is going to emerge. There are also clues like muddy vehicle tracks on the road which emerge from the side of the road (if there's more mud by the entrance that thins out down the road, chances are the tractor went that way), and also if the road is edged with solid white lines these will become dotted at entrances.
Also worth looking for any signs, eg B&B or tourist information to see if there's any places which someone new to the area may decide to turn into at short notice.
Lots of things to weigh up lol. Not sure where you're based, but if you are interested, there's a taster day in Andover on the 10th October and one of the routes has some good examples of this that I'm sure someone would be happy to talk through with you
Chris
Edited by ScoobyChris on Friday 11th September 14:24
Blame & insurance claims are a secondary concern, the first is will everyone survive unharmed.
Actively search for offside options of any description & if in doubt hold back. Remember that it's position & speed that determine whether vehicles in front can take that offside option & the slower they are the easier it is for them to do it with little or no warning.
Actively search for offside options of any description & if in doubt hold back. Remember that it's position & speed that determine whether vehicles in front can take that offside option & the slower they are the easier it is for them to do it with little or no warning.
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 11th September 17:01
This infuriates me as I have been in the situation where I'm overtaking a TOOL who decides to try and turn right as I'm alongside! No Indication beforehand, indicator comes on half a second before the T**T wants to turn, he honks his horn then decides to follow me (which he didnt do for long as although he had the superior car, I was the FAR superior driver).
A) if there is no indication, regardless of junctions ahead, the TIT who is turning is at fault! No-brainer!
J
A) if there is no indication, regardless of junctions ahead, the TIT who is turning is at fault! No-brainer!
J
jarnold88 said:
This infuriates me as I have been in the situation where I'm overtaking a TOOL who decides to try and turn right as I'm alongside! No Indication beforehand, indicator comes on half a second before the T**T wants to turn, he honks his horn then decides to follow me (which he didnt do for long as although he had the superior car, I was the FAR superior driver).
A) if there is no indication, regardless of junctions ahead, the TIT who is turning is at fault! No-brainer!
J
It's not that simple, there are obligations on all parties & that includes you.A) if there is no indication, regardless of junctions ahead, the TIT who is turning is at fault! No-brainer!
J
His indicator may not be working etc etc etc. His position, speed and the availability of the option dictate whether he can take it & you shouldn't be overtaking where circumstances dictate there is a realistic possibility that he may turn into an available option (whether signalling or not).
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 11th September 21:50
vonhosen said:
jarnold88 said:
This infuriates me as I have been in the situation where I'm overtaking a TOOL who decides to try and turn right as I'm alongside! No Indication beforehand, indicator comes on half a second before the T**T wants to turn, he honks his horn then decides to follow me (which he didnt do for long as although he had the superior car, I was the FAR superior driver).
A) if there is no indication, regardless of junctions ahead, the TIT who is turning is at fault! No-brainer!
J
It's not that simple, there are obligations on all parties & that includes you.A) if there is no indication, regardless of junctions ahead, the TIT who is turning is at fault! No-brainer!
J
His indicator may not be working etc etc etc. His position, speed and the availability of the option dictate whether he can take it & you shouldn't be overtaking where circumstances dictate there is a realistic possibility that he may turn into an available option (whether signalling or not).
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 11th September 21:50
to be honest i could care less what ya have to say on the situation as if a car is goin so slow that i deem it a waste of my life to stay behind it and it "cuts me up" its their fault not mine.
jarnold88 said:
I was the FAR superior driver).
Really?I would expect a far superior driver to be able to correctly read the road ahead and the intentions of fellow road users.
Drivers rarely, if ever, fail to communicate their actions, wether directly or by more subtle sign, lack of observation however will make it seem like they have.
jarnold88 said:
to be honest i could care less what ya have to say on the situation as if a car is goin so slow that i deem it a waste of my life to stay behind it and it "cuts me up" its their fault not mine.
It's not a case of either/or. If there's a reasonably forseeable risk of the driver moving right, you have to allow for that happening. Maybe they're at fault for not noticing you, but you would be at fault too if you could and should have anticipated them doing that.And regardless of where the fault lies, putting yourself in danger (deliberately, or because you failed to notice the danger) is obviously a bad idea even if it seems a "waste of your life" to take the extra time to avoid it.
Not all tractor drivers are to blame.
I live in the sticks just after a corner and at the start of a half mile straight, which is the only overtaking point for several miles.
There is a 50mph speed limit in place.
If a tractor is ahead I have seen cars 5 and 6 places back blasting past the queue of cars not overtaking as they can see the tractor indicating to turn right into the farm entrance, which is approx 300m after the turn.
This is always followed by a loud screech of brakes and horn blasting as the driver finds his way barred by a wall of metal.
Totally the motorists fault.......
I have also had several instances wher I find myself in the No 1 position behind said tactor and I KNOW that the second I indicate right to turn into my driveway the car behind is downshifting to `follow me past the tractor` .
Que... screeching and horns..........
The mindset for most regulars is to only look at the oncoming side of the road and if its clear, absolutely blast past as many cars as possible.
This once happened as the traffic on his side had been stopped to allow heavy plant to vacate my property, the numpty actually accelerated past at least 10 cars parked on his side before realising that he was about to run down someone in a yellow jacket directing traffic. The guy in the jacket was so scared he actually attacked the car
(Was quite funny to see the numpty reversing back with some hairy assed worker chasing after him trying to kick his front grill in )
I live in the sticks just after a corner and at the start of a half mile straight, which is the only overtaking point for several miles.
There is a 50mph speed limit in place.
If a tractor is ahead I have seen cars 5 and 6 places back blasting past the queue of cars not overtaking as they can see the tractor indicating to turn right into the farm entrance, which is approx 300m after the turn.
This is always followed by a loud screech of brakes and horn blasting as the driver finds his way barred by a wall of metal.
Totally the motorists fault.......
I have also had several instances wher I find myself in the No 1 position behind said tactor and I KNOW that the second I indicate right to turn into my driveway the car behind is downshifting to `follow me past the tractor` .
Que... screeching and horns..........
The mindset for most regulars is to only look at the oncoming side of the road and if its clear, absolutely blast past as many cars as possible.
This once happened as the traffic on his side had been stopped to allow heavy plant to vacate my property, the numpty actually accelerated past at least 10 cars parked on his side before realising that he was about to run down someone in a yellow jacket directing traffic. The guy in the jacket was so scared he actually attacked the car
(Was quite funny to see the numpty reversing back with some hairy assed worker chasing after him trying to kick his front grill in )
Edited by crisisjez on Saturday 12th September 00:56
crisisjez said:
jarnold88 said:
I was the FAR superior driver).
Drivers rarely, if ever, fail to communicate their actions, wether directly or by more subtle sign, lack of observation however will make it seem like they have.overtake, when....he did a u-turn right in front of me!!, to start heading in the opposite direction! Again, with no indication.
And what does he do when I hoot and shout at the idiot, after a sharp braking manoeuvre? He pulls the bird at me!!
There was no way I could have predicted that he was going to do that. I thought he was slowing down to let a passenger out, not do a stunt like he did.
I don't drive very often, try not to in central London. Drivers do do things that can't be predicted.. That said, I can't count on both hands how many times I've prevented someone crashing into me because I predicted that they were blissfully unaware of what's going on around them, and were about to do something stupid.
ScoobyChris said:
Wouldn't it be nicer to be in a position where the chances of an accident were minimal, rather than just going for it regardless and blaming the other party when it all goes Pete Tong?
Chris
Chris
<checks Jamie's profile and makes mental note to avoid Cheshire.>
Best wishes all,
Dave.
jarnold88 said:
vonhosen said:
jarnold88 said:
This infuriates me as I have been in the situation where I'm overtaking a TOOL who decides to try and turn right as I'm alongside! No Indication beforehand, indicator comes on half a second before the T**T wants to turn, he honks his horn then decides to follow me (which he didnt do for long as although he had the superior car, I was the FAR superior driver).
A) if there is no indication, regardless of junctions ahead, the TIT who is turning is at fault! No-brainer!
J
It's not that simple, there are obligations on all parties & that includes you.A) if there is no indication, regardless of junctions ahead, the TIT who is turning is at fault! No-brainer!
J
His indicator may not be working etc etc etc. His position, speed and the availability of the option dictate whether he can take it & you shouldn't be overtaking where circumstances dictate there is a realistic possibility that he may turn into an available option (whether signalling or not).
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 11th September 21:50
to be honest i could care less what ya have to say on the situation as if a car is goin so slow that i deem it a waste of my life to stay behind it and it "cuts me up" its their fault not mine.
Actually it's what you say in relation to where blame lays that doesn't matter. You don't determine blame, others do.
Good drivers don't blame others for collisions (or near misses) they are involved in, they do everything that was in their power to avoid them in the first place & where they are involved in them, they look first at what they could/should have done differently.
Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 12th September 08:53
crisisjez said:
I have also had several instances wher I find myself in the No 1 position behind said tactor and I KNOW that the second I indicate right to turn into my driveway the car behind is downshifting to `follow me past the tractor` .
I think in fairness that if I was in that situation that I'd be:-a) dropping back from the tractor beforehand to give everyone else a clue that I was going to do something other than the expected overtaking the tractor.
(after all I'd probably need to drop back to see if anything was oncoming)
or
b) using postioning, early signalling or even a hand signal
If it's a common occurance, even more so
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