VTS Saxo phase1/mk1 1.6. Future classic?

[Pezonee]

I think its a future classic going on Clarksons old review i found on youtube.
But im not sure if its old enough for me as i love the 205.
Still a nice looking car though i kind of see it as a newer shape 205 thats why i put pepperpots on her.
Do they look s**t??

[DegsyE39]

I was just saying this the other week, 100% a future classic and cheap as chips at the minute and one of the last analog hardcore lift-off oversteer happy french hot hatches..

Shhhhh though dont talk the prices up

[anonymous-user]

Not a chance.

[HerrSchnell]

All other aspects aside the basic problem you have here is that when you say 205 most people have this picture in their head:





When you say Saxo VTS this picture happens:

[Matttrakker]

I had a standard vtr at uni and it felt really fast. I love the simplicity of the vts, perhaps not a complete classic but def worth a shot.

[Pezonee]

DegsyE39 said:

I was just saying this the other week, 100% a future classic and cheap as chips at the minute and one of the last analog hardcore lift-off oversteer happy french hot hatches..

Shhhhh though dont talk the prices up

Ha nice,
I think its one of the last models of that simple oldskool look too. New cars today look like Bugs and Transformers i think

[Pezonee]

RenOHH said:

Not a chance.

How come though?

[Pezonee]

HerrSchnell said:

All other aspects aside the basic problem you have here is that when you say 205 most people have this picture in their head:





When you say Saxo VTS this picture happens:

Mmmmmmm that 205!!! Not into body kits n all that crap.
Its faster than 205 though

[Pezonee]

Matttrakker said:

I had a standard vtr at uni and it felt really fast. I love the simplicity of the vts, perhaps not a complete classic but def worth a shot.

Never been in vtr but the 16v engine in the vts is crazy, and being so light too it just rockets away

[SteveSteveson]

Nope. Too common, too pedestrian.

[daveofedinburgh]

Absolutely could be a future classic.

Cars like these creep up on you, or become suddenly/ unexpectedly desirable almost overnight.

It does have some of the 205 GTI thing going on, and is possibly the most molested 'hot' hatch ever. Untouched originals must already be few and far between.

Those of us that are 30+ are conditioned to dislike them as we naturally associate them with Max Power/ BarryBoys tw*ts modding them in the most distasteful way imaginable.

Look at more recent attempts by the French manufacturers to recapture the magic of their old iconic hot hatches... Saxo VTS (bar some Clios) probably the closest in spirit to something like the 205.

Will people actually pay good money for them? My instinct says no, but I've been wrong before!

[Pezonee]

SteveSteveson said:

Nope. Too common, too pedestrian.

Not common at all, mabey the vtr but not phase 1 vts less than 580 left on the road

[carl_w]

Pezonee said:

I think its a future classic going on Clarksons old review i found on youtube.
But im not sure if its old enough for me as i love the 205.
Still a nice looking car though i kind of see it as a newer shape 205 thats why i put pepperpots on her.
Do they look s**t??

I think Ph1 looks better than Ph2. Other posters say "common as muck" but try finding a straight one. Post 2001 (so Ph2) are in the £300/yr tax bracket, for a start.

[Pezonee]

[quote=daveofedinburgh]Absolutely could be a future classic.

Cars like these creep up on you, or become suddenly/ unexpectedly desirable almost overnight.

It does have some of the 205 GTI thing going on, and is possibly the most molested 'hot' hatch ever. Untouched originals must already be few and far between.

Those of us that are 30+ are conditioned to dislike them as we naturally associate them with Max Power/ BarryBoys tw*ts modding them in the most distasteful way imaginable.

Look at more recent attempts by the French manufacturers to recapture the magic of their old iconic hot hatches... Saxo VTS (bar some Clios) probably the closest in spirit to something like the 205.

Will people actually pay good money for them? My instinct says no, but I've been wrong

This one is pretty standard bar wheels obviously, not lowered with crappy jap bits and bobs stuck all over.
I like the old feeling it has to it even though its a 1999 with power steering, the gearbox keeps you alert

[Pezonee]

carl_w said:

I think Ph1 looks better than Ph2. Other posters say "common as muck" but try finding a straight one. Post 2001 (so Ph2) are in the £300/yr tax bracket, for a start.

Ive had a look on selling sites and found one half decent one but even that was moded
The happy face phase2 just looks daft in my opinion but each to their own

[Xaero]

They probably will be. But just behind the 106 Gti becoming one.

[Meridius]

Eventually, when they become scarce, they will be (which might be sooner than I think seeing as I cant remember the last time I saw a Saxo on the roads, or even a C2 for that matter, what is it with French cars completely disappearing after about 7 years?) but probably only as much as a Citroen AX GTI is, cant see them having the same amount of appeal as a 205 GTI for example.

[bigvanfan]

Pezonee]aveofedinburgh said:

Absolutely could be a future classic.

Cars like these creep up on you, or become suddenly/ unexpectedly desirable almost overnight.

It does have some of the 205 GTI thing going on, and is possibly the most molested 'hot' hatch ever. Untouched originals must already be few and far between.

Those of us that are 30+ are conditioned to dislike them as we naturally associate them with Max Power/ BarryBoys tw*ts modding them in the most distasteful way imaginable.

Look at more recent attempts by the French manufacturers to recapture the magic of their old iconic hot hatches... Saxo VTS (bar some Clios) probably the closest in spirit to something like the 205.

Will people actually pay good money for them? My instinct says no, but I've been wrong

This one is pretty standard bar wheels obviously, not lowered with crappy jap bits and bobs stuck all over.
I like the old feeling it has to it even though its a 1999 with power steering, the gearbox keeps you alert

I'd agree with most of that, I've never had one but always thought they looked smart when standard, will go up in value but not by a lot I'd say

[DegsyE39]

Its easy to say the cars are associated with barry boys too much... but it wasnt long ago that most R5 turbos looked like this.







Look at the prices of a clean unmodified R5 GT turbo now..

Dont be so sure that an unmolested VTS/VTR will stay at £700 for ever

[Rensko]

They were never sold here in Australia - but have seen plenty on the roads in Euroland over the years.

To me, they are the younger brother of the 205 GTI. Yes, it evokes memories of a cheap, quick car which many had in their "youf" - but it will never be the ground breaking classic of which the 205 really instllled a sense of awesomeness and desirability amongst petrol heads. Prices will go up, as finding an "un-f*cked" one eventually will be nigh on impossible.

They just don't do it for me. A Mk1 Clio 172 on the other hand - I predict future classic there...