Football is it becoming more of a farce ?
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Not that into sports, but watch major games of rugby, cricket tennis etc. but football seems to be the game where cheating is being tolerated, could we see in the not too distant future and I'd say in the next 10 years a player punching another one to stop him scoring, the ref red cards him and he becomes a national hero, they miss the penalty kick (I suppose a bit like ghana's unfortunate game)..the game seems to have lost control and then when anything like this happens its just swept under the carpet.
Any rule that can be exploited in such an opprobrious way is a bad rule. It should be within the ref's power to award a goal when the ball would obviously have gone in – AND send the offender off as well. As it is, Suarez will be a national hero back in Uruguay for sacrificing himself for the team, while Gyan of Ghana (who missed the pen) will probably be scarred for life through no fault of his own. How fair is that? The sport of football once more loses big time.
Eric Mc said:
Another thread by a non-soccer fan explaining why they don't like soccer.
BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is boring and saddening is the culture of accepting cheating on a massive scale because of inept, weak leadership by FIFA/EUFA/match officials and managers.BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At every attacking deadball situation we are offered a veritable scrum of wrestling/shirt-pulling/obstructing behaviour going unpunished. We see unsuitably weak punishments for the blatant 'professional fouls' (ie deliberate cheating) and a constant badgering of the officials by players making claims they demonstrably know to be untrue every time the ball goes out of play.
We have the diving to attempt to gain free kicks and histrionics from obviously uninjured players in an attempt to influence officials.
This is condoned by managers and 'expert' ex-players with their 'it's always been like that' (so what, if it's wrong?) and 'he touched him so he's entitled to go down' bulls
t.The whole sport is corrupt and there is no attempt being made to clean it up.
BTW Eric I am a football fan (not soccer, I am European) and played at a reasonable level, but I find the current generation of players to be disreputable, dishonest cheats who obviously have no self-respect because of the way they are prepared to behave in an attempt to gain unfair advantage.
Edited by DocJock on Saturday 3rd July 15:29
sussexjob said:
Eric Mc said:
BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well I suppose if cheatings going to be allowed then that's what the game becoming , so falling over for no reason is exciting amongst other things. I'll just stick to watching Rugby !You don't get football players walking on the pitch with blood capsuls hidden on them.....Yet.
Typically insightful analysis of the Suarez incident by Messrs Shearer and Hansen on BBC just now. 'Everyone would have done what he did.' Oh, well, that's OK then. That tells you all you need to know about 'professional' football. Ultimately, the result transcends everything. Sport is left twitching in the gutter.
tonym911 said:
Typically insightful analysis of the Suarez incident by Messrs Shearer and Hansen on BBC just now. 'Everyone would have done what he did.' Oh, well, that's OK then. That tells you all you need to know about 'professional' football. Ultimately, the result transcends everything. Sport is left twitching in the gutter.
I`d quite like him in goal at Upton Park.tonym911 said:
Any rule that can be exploited in such an opprobrious way is a bad rule. It should be within the ref's power to award a goal when the ball would obviously have gone in – AND send the offender off as well.
Totally agree, and, for seconds, how about if you get a yellow card, you're off the pitch for five minutes. Yellow cards seem to be an accepted part of delaying the attacking side, nowadays. Don't say it'll slow down play, it's what they do in Ice Hockey which is a damn site faster than Football could ever be. In Rugby, which uses a similar system, it generally penalises the offenders by six points, sometimes more, sometimes less, but it DOES penalise the offenders.Gaz. said:
mickk said:
sussexjob said:
Eric Mc said:
BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well I suppose if cheatings going to be allowed then that's what the game becoming , so falling over for no reason is exciting amongst other things. I'll just stick to watching Rugby !You don't get football players walking on the pitch with blood capsuls hidden on them.....Yet.
It was a slur on a great game but a game that some of its supporters like to hold up as somehow being uniquely "sporting" and free of cheating. In reality, of course, rugby is as prone to cheating as any sport - much of it hidden and much of it missed by referees, officials and cameras.
Rugby is no paragon of virtue.
However, depsite all this, I do not dislike or decry rugby. Unfortunately, it does seem that soccer attracts far more eprobrium for its misdemenanours because
it is higher profile than rugby
it is a more open game so wrong doing is more obvious
it's perceived by some of its critics to be played by the ill educated "lower orders"
some of its players were extremely well remunerated (which is even more dispicable in some people's eyes because of the perceived "unworthiness" of the players).
it is a more successful and popular game worldwide and therefore part of popular culture - which automatically will cause some people to dislike it
"Johnny Foreigner" is quite good at it, especially those foreigners who seem to have had run ins with the UK in more serious matters throughout history.
Eric Mc said:
DocJock said:
Im not English though ND... 
"English" as in the language spoken in these islands - not English as in race or nationality.
As an aside though, the governing body for the sport worldwide is FIFA, not FISA
In Europe it is EUFA, not EUSA
In the UK they are FAs, not SAs
Carry on though...
DocJock said:
Eric Mc said:
DocJock said:
Im not English though ND...
"English" as in the language spoken in these islands - not English as in race or nationality.As an aside though, the governing body for the sport worldwide is FIFA, not FISA
In Europe it is EUFA, not EUSA
In the UK they are FAs, not SAs
Carry on though...
I don't pull people up on bad typing (normally
as we are all guilty of that from time to time.But the assumption that the word "soccer" is some sort of "Americanism" is so pervasive now that I always feel I need to remind people of where the word actually originated - which was right here.
(It shares it's useage in Britain with the term "Rugger" - which is also now a fairly unused expression).
Eric Mc said:
It's brought up because....
It's one of the paradoxes of football followers that they seem to regard the game above criticism unless the critic is another follower of football, whereupon the tribal element comes to the fore in that a critic may be debased if their team is regarded as inferior, or unknowning of the great game.This is why, I think, football is often regarded as an inferior sport by other followers of other sports - In the mind of a football follower, it seems someone who can understand and appreciate the subtleties of cricket, rugby, cycling, tennis, or whatever, is automatically incapable of grasping what's happening on a football pitch (unless an undying tribal loyalty to some team (usually well away from where the supporter lives) is openly declared.)
It's silly stance Eric; should I dismiss your opinion on aeroplanes because you don't have a pilot's licence? Should I claim you cannot pass judgement on the quality of a scale model kit because you don't use an airbrush?
Whilst the committed follower may be able to justify the gamesmanship seen at the world cup, and on Sky Sports every weekend. The casual follower, more used to the more sportsmanlike attitude seen elsewhere, is often left disgusted.
Often, if one wants to get really constructive criticism, one should seek an assessment from a disconnected or previously uninvolved source. In many ways the stance I've seen on here over the last few weeks - that 'Plastic Fans' cannot have an opinion worth listening to - is no more than a mirror image of the blight afflicting FIFA and the FA where criticism or dissent is cuffed away with a patronising 'you wouldn't understand' or 'bad for the game'...
Football should be concerned that the sport which has the most obnoxious self-obsessed pros; Tennis, has wholeheartedly embraced modern technology to remove any question of human judgement on a call where so much is at stake.
Football would also do well to look at how other sports treat professional fouling - such as the 'Quins incident - rather than pretending that events like Suarez's was instinctive and treating it much like any other handball in the box.
But, hey, I'm a rugby player, so what do I know?
Edited by Dunk76 on Sunday 4th July 10:02
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