Rugby Union question
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watching Leicester versus the Scarlets and I have a question. If the defender is running back to get a kicked ball, he usually slides onto it and any attackers then have to let them get to their feet. But what happens if they do not? There was an incident earlier where the Sca guy seemed to stay on the floor waiting for his defence to get back - can the attacker do anything in that situation?
Egg Chaser said:
Usually if the attackers don't let the defender get to his feet, the ref will give a free kick to the defending team. If the defender chooses not to try and get to his feet, then I think play just resumes as normal and the attackers can try and take the ball.
HTH
That seems spot on although I believe it to be a full penalty offence, not a free kick.HTH
The 2 main incidents for that in the game both involved Alessani Tuig.
The first time he kicked, chased and then went off his feet on the player on the ground and didnt allow him to get up freely. The ref blew.
The second time he kicked, chased, went off his feet on the player but immediately rolled away and stopped interfering with the player to show the ref he had learnt from the previous indescretion. The ref didnt blow.
For the defender, the important rule is no playing the ball whilst you are off your feet. So he can lie there all he wants, but he cannot protect the ball unless he returns to a position whereby he is supporting himself with his feet on the ground, ie not on knees.
The first time he kicked, chased and then went off his feet on the player on the ground and didnt allow him to get up freely. The ref blew.
The second time he kicked, chased, went off his feet on the player but immediately rolled away and stopped interfering with the player to show the ref he had learnt from the previous indescretion. The ref didnt blow.
For the defender, the important rule is no playing the ball whilst you are off your feet. So he can lie there all he wants, but he cannot protect the ball unless he returns to a position whereby he is supporting himself with his feet on the ground, ie not on knees.
DJC said:
The 2 main incidents for that in the game both involved Alessani Tuig.
The first time he kicked, chased and then went off his feet on the player on the ground and didnt allow him to get up freely. The ref blew.
The second time he kicked, chased, went off his feet on the player but immediately rolled away and stopped interfering with the player to show the ref he had learnt from the previous indescretion. The ref didnt blow.
For the defender, the important rule is no playing the ball whilst you are off your feet. So he can lie there all he wants, but he cannot protect the ball unless he returns to a position whereby he is supporting himself with his feet on the ground, ie not on knees.
yes I saw both incidents, the second one he did not really have much choice as he was shoved in the back which I guess the ref just saw as accidental. The first one was the one which caused me to question the rules as he seemed to pause before jumping on the guy as if he was waiting for him to try to get up.The first time he kicked, chased and then went off his feet on the player on the ground and didnt allow him to get up freely. The ref blew.
The second time he kicked, chased, went off his feet on the player but immediately rolled away and stopped interfering with the player to show the ref he had learnt from the previous indescretion. The ref didnt blow.
For the defender, the important rule is no playing the ball whilst you are off your feet. So he can lie there all he wants, but he cannot protect the ball unless he returns to a position whereby he is supporting himself with his feet on the ground, ie not on knees.
I still do not understand this fully, if a player picks up the ball and just lies on the floor then he surely does not have to release the ball until he is tackled? but if an attacker cannot touch him until he gets up then i do not see how this works as he could in theory lie there all day?
x5x3 said:
DJC said:
The 2 main incidents for that in the game both involved Alessani Tuig.
The first time he kicked, chased and then went off his feet on the player on the ground and didnt allow him to get up freely. The ref blew.
The second time he kicked, chased, went off his feet on the player but immediately rolled away and stopped interfering with the player to show the ref he had learnt from the previous indescretion. The ref didnt blow.
For the defender, the important rule is no playing the ball whilst you are off your feet. So he can lie there all he wants, but he cannot protect the ball unless he returns to a position whereby he is supporting himself with his feet on the ground, ie not on knees.
yes I saw both incidents, the second one he did not really have much choice as he was shoved in the back which I guess the ref just saw as accidental. The first one was the one which caused me to question the rules as he seemed to pause before jumping on the guy as if he was waiting for him to try to get up.The first time he kicked, chased and then went off his feet on the player on the ground and didnt allow him to get up freely. The ref blew.
The second time he kicked, chased, went off his feet on the player but immediately rolled away and stopped interfering with the player to show the ref he had learnt from the previous indescretion. The ref didnt blow.
For the defender, the important rule is no playing the ball whilst you are off your feet. So he can lie there all he wants, but he cannot protect the ball unless he returns to a position whereby he is supporting himself with his feet on the ground, ie not on knees.
I still do not understand this fully, if a player picks up the ball and just lies on the floor then he surely does not have to release the ball until he is tackled? but if an attacker cannot touch him until he gets up then i do not see how this works as he could in theory lie there all day?
x5x3 said:
I still do not understand this fully, if a player picks up the ball and just lies on the floor then he surely does not have to release the ball until he is tackled? but if an attacker cannot touch him until he gets up then i do not see how this works as he could in theory lie there all day?
If you're off your feet (so lying on the ground with the ball) you MUST release it to players on their feet. In the case where you slide in to collect a ball, an attacker must give you a chance to get up before tackling you but if you don't get up you must release the ball, so the attacker can then collect the ball.The defender's choices are get up or release the ball. The attacker's choices are tackle the standing player or collect the released ball. I think.
basically slide down and gatther the ball, then either of:
get on your feet with the ball and run off (hopefully),
get up and leave the ball on the ground and try and create a ruck (you won't see this happen)
stay on the ground and hope you have team mates arriving PDQ to form a ruck over the top of you to slow down recycling (rare nowadays, but its a good way of forming a defensive base- as it creates strong off side positions, slows the game down, and allows defense to regroup),
or stay on the ground and release the ball which anyone on their feet can then pick up- often the worse choice as the attacker will pickup the ball and go and score.
get on your feet with the ball and run off (hopefully),
get up and leave the ball on the ground and try and create a ruck (you won't see this happen)
stay on the ground and hope you have team mates arriving PDQ to form a ruck over the top of you to slow down recycling (rare nowadays, but its a good way of forming a defensive base- as it creates strong off side positions, slows the game down, and allows defense to regroup),
or stay on the ground and release the ball which anyone on their feet can then pick up- often the worse choice as the attacker will pickup the ball and go and score.
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