Pakistani cricket and the spot-fixing affair
Discussion
Would be interested in gathering some thoughts on the long-running story regarding the deliberate no-balls bowled by the Pakistanis on last years England tour.
In particular, was the whole story massively sensationalised and over-reported?
Was the whole affair exaggerated in both the sports and news sections of newspapers, radio and TV news? Or was the coverage commensurate and fair?
Right now (9th Feb 2011 19:00 CET) it is headline news on the BBC Sport website and is prominent on the main BBC News page. This on an evening of major international football.
In particular, was the whole story massively sensationalised and over-reported?
Was the whole affair exaggerated in both the sports and news sections of newspapers, radio and TV news? Or was the coverage commensurate and fair?
Right now (9th Feb 2011 19:00 CET) it is headline news on the BBC Sport website and is prominent on the main BBC News page. This on an evening of major international football.
DrYazz said:
In particular, was the whole story massively sensationalised and over-reported?
No.DrYazz said:
Was the whole affair exaggerated in both the sports and news sections of newspapers, radio and TV news?
No.DrYazz said:
Right now (9th Feb 2011 19:00 CET) it is headline news on the BBC Sport website and is prominent on the main BBC News page. This on an evening of major international football.
It's only friendlies.Gun said:
There's no real difference between match fixing or spot fixing, in both you are altering the game to aid organised crime. I'd have banned all those Pakistani cricketers from the game for life.
Organised crime? I thought it was just a bunch of bookies. Bent bookies, but bookies nonetheless.Is your view the same for those involved in horse racing scandals and the likes of Grobelaar and others implicated several years ago?
DrYazz said:
Gun said:
There's no real difference between match fixing or spot fixing, in both you are altering the game to aid organised crime. I'd have banned all those Pakistani cricketers from the game for life.
Organised crime? I thought it was just a bunch of bookies. Bent bookies, but bookies nonetheless.Is your view the same for those involved in horse racing scandals and the likes of Grobelaar and others implicated several years ago?
As for the other instances, yes my stance is the same, if you cheat you should get banned for life, you're bringing the game you're involved in into disrepute and therefore can no longer be trusted to play the game in a fair manner.
i was approached over ten years ago by a dodgy chap who had a lot of business interests in the uk and india.
he told me he could fix cricket matches and wanted to gamble on them. not knowing anything about either i politely declined. at the time i thought it would be difficult to fix a cricket match and did not know that you could bet on the number of no balls etc. so it has been going on for a while. how widespread it is i do not know. this guy certainly had the money and the contacts.
i am sure it is not an exclusively sub continent issue.
he told me he could fix cricket matches and wanted to gamble on them. not knowing anything about either i politely declined. at the time i thought it would be difficult to fix a cricket match and did not know that you could bet on the number of no balls etc. so it has been going on for a while. how widespread it is i do not know. this guy certainly had the money and the contacts.
i am sure it is not an exclusively sub continent issue.
Anysways (Horneyrider, is that word acceptable to you 
anysways), I picked up the Daily Mail on Sunday February 6th from Gate 24D on my flight out of Heathrow Terminal 3, and the back page headline was......
Pakistan CRICKETERS BANNED by ICC anti-corruption tribunal
with the word banned being emphasised with colouring and significantly larger fonts.
Not a regular Daily Mail reader, nor have I studied the way they use fonts and colours, but again, I thought the way this was emphasised was a bit OTT.
anysways), I picked up the Daily Mail on Sunday February 6th from Gate 24D on my flight out of Heathrow Terminal 3, and the back page headline was......Pakistan CRICKETERS BANNED by ICC anti-corruption tribunal
with the word banned being emphasised with colouring and significantly larger fonts.
Not a regular Daily Mail reader, nor have I studied the way they use fonts and colours, but again, I thought the way this was emphasised was a bit OTT.
IMHO, it's a perfectly balanced and proportionate response from the ICC, and a reasonable one from the UK judiciary (though you might find it petering out as public interest kicks in).
They were caught deliberately altering the result of a competitive game, for pecuniary reward. Same reponse would have been forthcoming had they been dropping catches - that's the point of the laws. Its not the impact, it's the intention that counts.
They were caught deliberately altering the result of a competitive game, for pecuniary reward. Same reponse would have been forthcoming had they been dropping catches - that's the point of the laws. Its not the impact, it's the intention that counts.
randlemarcus said:
IMHO, it's a perfectly balanced and proportionate response from the ICC, and a reasonable one from the UK judiciary (though you might find it petering out as public interest kicks in).
They were caught deliberately altering the result of a competitive game, for pecuniary reward. Same reponse would have been forthcoming had they been dropping catches - that's the point of the laws. Its not the impact, it's the intention that counts.
I am not questioning the ICC decision or condoning the players. Punishment is deserved and cheats must be rooted out.They were caught deliberately altering the result of a competitive game, for pecuniary reward. Same reponse would have been forthcoming had they been dropping catches - that's the point of the laws. Its not the impact, it's the intention that counts.
I found the nature of the reporting, and in particular the imagery, with police officers with firearms to border on the absurd.
DrYazz said:
I am not questioning the ICC decision or condoning the players. Punishment is deserved and cheats must be rooted out.
I found the nature of the reporting, and in particular the imagery, with police officers with firearms to border on the absurd.
So is this really about pictures of police officers with guns, not [Boycott]crikkit[/Boycott]?I found the nature of the reporting, and in particular the imagery, with police officers with firearms to border on the absurd.
Let me take a wild stab at this Yazzy. You are from Pakistani origins. You think the British media are guilty of stirring up anti-Pakistan sentiment just because of where the players from. If they werent from Pakistan they would have not have been so sensational in their reporting. You think the British media have been racist and had an agenda from the start.
Either that or you must really want a plasic population!
Either that or you must really want a plasic population!
DrYazz said:
Would be interested in gathering some thoughts on the long-running story regarding the deliberate no-balls bowled by the Pakistanis on last years England tour.
In particular, was the whole story massively sensationalised and over-reported?
Was the whole affair exaggerated in both the sports and news sections of newspapers, radio and TV news? Or was the coverage commensurate and fair?
Right now (9th Feb 2011 19:00 CET) it is headline news on the BBC Sport website and is prominent on the main BBC News page. This on an evening of major international football.
I have no issue with the reporting of the cricketing cheats. I do have an issue with you describing last night's matches as "major international football". That's over-hyping and sensationalising.In particular, was the whole story massively sensationalised and over-reported?
Was the whole affair exaggerated in both the sports and news sections of newspapers, radio and TV news? Or was the coverage commensurate and fair?
Right now (9th Feb 2011 19:00 CET) it is headline news on the BBC Sport website and is prominent on the main BBC News page. This on an evening of major international football.
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