ok, so I read the TOA, under conduct.... again
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Because of the following:
Post or transmit any content that is abusive, vulgar, obscene, hateful, fraudulent, unlawful, threatening, harassing, or defamatory or which discloses private or personal matters concerning any person;
If you have something to contribute, that's fine. However, attempting to resolve a personal grudge on this site is a violation of the guidelines. That is why the thread was closed.
ErnestM
Post or transmit any content that is abusive, vulgar, obscene, hateful, fraudulent, unlawful, threatening, harassing, or defamatory or which discloses private or personal matters concerning any person;
If you have something to contribute, that's fine. However, attempting to resolve a personal grudge on this site is a violation of the guidelines. That is why the thread was closed.
ErnestM
93coup....Hi forums are for expressing opinions, facts etc, but when you come to specific forums like this one and rabbit on about another make being better than Esprits you can expect a large bite in the backside 
People here are passionate about Lotus/esprits so gotta be careful. BTW Cobras are nice too. 
People here are passionate about Lotus/esprits so gotta be careful. BTW Cobras are nice too. I think if you'd have relayed the story and left it at that, you probably would have been fine.
I'm guessing it's probably the fact that you asked the listers here to identify the guy that got your thread yanked.
A related story, I destroyed a Mustang GT this afternoon...the difference was, we both had fun doing it, and he probably got a bigger kick out of it than I did. Waves and smiles were exchanged before and after.
Mikester (and yeah Ernest, I know I'm supposed to be a good boy...that's why I kept it close, so as not to get into 'jail' speed range. ;-)
I'm guessing it's probably the fact that you asked the listers here to identify the guy that got your thread yanked.
A related story, I destroyed a Mustang GT this afternoon...the difference was, we both had fun doing it, and he probably got a bigger kick out of it than I did. Waves and smiles were exchanged before and after.
Mikester (and yeah Ernest, I know I'm supposed to be a good boy...that's why I kept it close, so as not to get into 'jail' speed range. ;-)
madmike said: (and yeah Ernest, I know I'm supposed to be a good boy...that's why I kept it close, so as not to get into 'jail' speed range. ;-)
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Now Michael, you know you shouldn't do that what with being just let off of State sponsored, erm, 'internship' as it where... 
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Way to go! Kick his 
(Have I really become everyone's concience? Heaven help us all
) ErnestM
Hey,
Bring on the Mustang GT's! My little old 88 Turbo killed a 2003 Mustang GT today and the guy stopped at the lights and shouted through the window "what the hell do you have in that thing?" I just told him "a little old 2.2L 4 banger".
He said "S**t that thing's fast".
Makes it all worth it somehow!
AZ88Turbo (and YES, I'm British just in case you were wondering).
Bring on the Mustang GT's! My little old 88 Turbo killed a 2003 Mustang GT today and the guy stopped at the lights and shouted through the window "what the hell do you have in that thing?" I just told him "a little old 2.2L 4 banger".
He said "S**t that thing's fast".
Makes it all worth it somehow!
AZ88Turbo (and YES, I'm British just in case you were wondering).
"The fraudulent part of your previous thread was insinuating that a Ford product had any chance in a race. My little sister and her bicycle could take your buddy's 93 Cobra."
Oh please. We all know the Esprit would've had his a$$ handed to him. Which is why he didn't want to run and only had insults to spew from his pseudo-educated mouth, period. I just thought it VERY amusing, to say the least, that this guy with a maintenance nightmare like a lotus was calling another make trash.
What do YOU run on your 12R? If you want you're bike served up on video and you live near Dallas hit me up.
BTW, i'd smoke your "little sister and her bicycle" (either one) on my sprocketed Dyno VFR.
Oh please. We all know the Esprit would've had his a$$ handed to him. Which is why he didn't want to run and only had insults to spew from his pseudo-educated mouth, period. I just thought it VERY amusing, to say the least, that this guy with a maintenance nightmare like a lotus was calling another make trash.
What do YOU run on your 12R? If you want you're bike served up on video and you live near Dallas hit me up.
BTW, i'd smoke your "little sister and her bicycle" (either one) on my sprocketed Dyno VFR.
93Coupe,
You should check your Membership details. You have yourself set up as United Kingdom, I believe you should be set up as USA...
...Also, this section of the web site are for those individuals and enthusiasts that wish to discuss the Esprit and shared experiences with same. It is not designed to let people come in and arbitrarily deride all Esprit owners and/or Esprits (with such comments as maintenance nightmares)...
There are other sections of this forum where you may go and discuss Cobras or motorcycles or whatever else you wish with fellow enthusiasts. I will thank you, however, to refrain from any further potential inflamatory remarks.
ErnestM
>> Edited by ErnestM (moderator) on Tuesday 8th April 22:44
You should check your Membership details. You have yourself set up as United Kingdom, I believe you should be set up as USA...
...Also, this section of the web site are for those individuals and enthusiasts that wish to discuss the Esprit and shared experiences with same. It is not designed to let people come in and arbitrarily deride all Esprit owners and/or Esprits (with such comments as maintenance nightmares)...
There are other sections of this forum where you may go and discuss Cobras or motorcycles or whatever else you wish with fellow enthusiasts. I will thank you, however, to refrain from any further potential inflamatory remarks.
ErnestM
>> Edited by ErnestM (moderator) on Tuesday 8th April 22:44
What a deluded person thinking a 5.0 could do in an Esprit. Maybe if it were fixed up on short track like 1/4 mile. But on a longer stretch of road it would surely run out of steam. They have nothing left on the high end and get real floaty and scary after 120+ I can't imagine how they would be in the 150+ range on a road surface.
Did someone say race bikes? Hey that's my thing taking on GSXR's into triple digits.
Calvin
Did someone say race bikes? Hey that's my thing taking on GSXR's into triple digits.
Calvin
I have had a habit of for some reason last year to be just cruising along at hwy speeds minding my own business and they come up next to me and they give me a circular wave of their hands and point forward.
Knowing what they are getting at I drop to 4th, turn the A/C off, and floor it, much to their suprise I take off at full boost as they look like they are standing still.
I don't shift till I am well into triple digits, as they work though their gear they fall farther behind everytime they shift.
When I get to 145-150 and they are still with me, they are usually not wearing leathers so the open clothes they are wearing are really beating them up from the wind resistance and they are forced to back off.
I on the other hand am in comfort with the windows up, tunes playing, and I flick back on the A/C. They are fast from a stop but we are much faster when we are at 50-60mph crusing at turbo boost range without any lag above 3K rpm for our cars.
It's all over in short time as I back off and look over to the bike with a smile. The bikes are pretty fast but I was once told by one of them that they have to get one of these as they are quicker than a bike at hwy speeds.
One can take almost everyone out when you exploit your strengths and their weaknesses. Just like you can take out a Lamborghini Countach on a 0-120 and shut down very quickly after that. After you dominate him for about little less than a 1/2 mile make sure he sees your brake lights go on by pressing the pedal just hard enough for the lights to go on while coasting (he will think you are braking as he catches up as you slow to normal hwy speeds. Right when he pulls up even with you, to it again or you can just let him pass you as you smile at him. Just remember he is king of the road after 120 and he will overtake you somewhere around 150mph.
Our SE's do well in the 40-150mph range although mine starts to strain just a tad or near 160 mph when the Lambo starts to come to full life.
The Ferrari's can be taken out on a tighter course as they do not corner as well as our cars.
The Modena might be tougher but they are very expensive cars and their owners will not drive to put the cars into what they think is in harms way. In other words most owners with cars that cost over 60-70-100+K will only take it to certain level before they back off.
They chicken out as they see dollar signs flashing before their eyes. Who knows I may even feel that way if I ever got something real spendy, but I have met a few mental guys with expensive cars that will rise to the challenge but that is rare.
There is something to be said for driving an affordable performance car that is easy to fix or tweak here and there.
Work on your own car and it will make you a better driver. You will also know exactly what you risk by the way you drive. You will also know immediately if something is a miss and fix the problem right away. With our cars it is not usually the main failure or adjustment that costs you it is secondary and third order failures as a result of something failing that costs big bucks. I don't think that a lot of those Modena and Diablo owners even wash their own cars.
Enjoy the hobby it is a good one,
Calvin
Knowing what they are getting at I drop to 4th, turn the A/C off, and floor it, much to their suprise I take off at full boost as they look like they are standing still.
I don't shift till I am well into triple digits, as they work though their gear they fall farther behind everytime they shift.
When I get to 145-150 and they are still with me, they are usually not wearing leathers so the open clothes they are wearing are really beating them up from the wind resistance and they are forced to back off.
I on the other hand am in comfort with the windows up, tunes playing, and I flick back on the A/C. They are fast from a stop but we are much faster when we are at 50-60mph crusing at turbo boost range without any lag above 3K rpm for our cars.
It's all over in short time as I back off and look over to the bike with a smile. The bikes are pretty fast but I was once told by one of them that they have to get one of these as they are quicker than a bike at hwy speeds.
One can take almost everyone out when you exploit your strengths and their weaknesses. Just like you can take out a Lamborghini Countach on a 0-120 and shut down very quickly after that. After you dominate him for about little less than a 1/2 mile make sure he sees your brake lights go on by pressing the pedal just hard enough for the lights to go on while coasting (he will think you are braking as he catches up as you slow to normal hwy speeds. Right when he pulls up even with you, to it again or you can just let him pass you as you smile at him. Just remember he is king of the road after 120 and he will overtake you somewhere around 150mph.
Our SE's do well in the 40-150mph range although mine starts to strain just a tad or near 160 mph when the Lambo starts to come to full life.
The Ferrari's can be taken out on a tighter course as they do not corner as well as our cars.
The Modena might be tougher but they are very expensive cars and their owners will not drive to put the cars into what they think is in harms way. In other words most owners with cars that cost over 60-70-100+K will only take it to certain level before they back off.
They chicken out as they see dollar signs flashing before their eyes. Who knows I may even feel that way if I ever got something real spendy, but I have met a few mental guys with expensive cars that will rise to the challenge but that is rare.
There is something to be said for driving an affordable performance car that is easy to fix or tweak here and there.
Work on your own car and it will make you a better driver. You will also know exactly what you risk by the way you drive. You will also know immediately if something is a miss and fix the problem right away. With our cars it is not usually the main failure or adjustment that costs you it is secondary and third order failures as a result of something failing that costs big bucks. I don't think that a lot of those Modena and Diablo owners even wash their own cars.
Enjoy the hobby it is a good one,
Calvin
Calvin.....Ahh that is refreshing, I love hearing these highway race stories. I would love to work on my own car, where do I start though. I wouldn't mind going to do a short term mechanics course or something to get the basics sorted out. I think that would give me more confidence to check out the real state of my car. Although it runs like a dream its still unknown territory. We shall see.
KS
KS
I very much doubt that an esprit could out accelerate a sports bike (ridden by a keen type), at any speed. Have you ever been on one?
cnh1990 said:They are fast from a stop but we are much faster when we are at 50-60mph crusing at turbo boost range without any lag above 3K rpm for our cars.
Edited to say : Not that I've got anything against esprits. Lovely cars.
>> Edited by MEMSDesign on Wednesday 9th April 09:32
A stock 911 will win around a track against a Yamaha R1, (check out JC's Head to Head video). Both car & bike being driven by professinal drivers.
Mind u no car I know of as beated the Isle of Man TT Super Bike times. This course which I've done in a car a few times
is damn scary, narrow roads with hay bales to prevent u hitting rock. I was being overtaken by bikes a few times espically over the mountain section, the car I was driving was not a esprit, but a 92 M5.
Mind u no car I know of as beated the Isle of Man TT Super Bike times. This course which I've done in a car a few times
is damn scary, narrow roads with hay bales to prevent u hitting rock. I was being overtaken by bikes a few times espically over the mountain section, the car I was driving was not a esprit, but a 92 M5. This is an old chestnut, and has been done many times, by many different people. The results seem to depend on several factors:
dictys said: A stock 911 will win around a track against a Yamaha R1, (check out JC's Head to Head video). Both car & bike being driven by professinal drivers.
1) Tyres
2) Who's doing the testing (i.e. pro bike or pro car)
3) Venue (twisty vs straight etc)
You can read some tests of supercars v bikes around circuits where the bikes whup the cars, and vice versa. The only reason why a car would beat a bike is corners. Just take a look at standing quarter times and terminal speeds for bikes vs cars.
Well the sport bikes are indeed fast. Car or bike, street contests are won with who drops the hammer first.
There are no lights or someone to wave a flag to start an event. I try and be very aware of what a bike is doing when he is next to me (for that matter any car as well). I try to see/hear what he is doing and most likely what gear he is in.
While I can make concealed preperations like shutting off the A/C and a smooth down shift from 5th to 4th before dropping the hammer.
I have met very few highly skilled sport bike drivers on the road with proper equipment. Not having a proper high speed suit usually means a win for me at hwy speeds and above. As the discomfort from an open jacket flapping in the breeze must be overwhelming, it cetainly looks painfull having a big metal zipper bashing ones chest a few times a second. I do not take on bikes from a stop, only when I am rolling. We would loose big time from a standing start against a bike. Quarter mile stats are pretty irrelevant in hwy rolling starts and many road contest exceed 1/4 mile anyways. Bikes may feel fine on a prepared track but at high speeds on a common road way, I would rather be in car.
I must admit that this one particular person on a Ducati with a full suit gives me the hardest time (someone from down the street), going through a down hill stretch of a winding road many of us frequent I was right on his rear and he could not shake me.
I had to brake often to keep from bumping his rear. I could see his eyes in his mirrors. Afterwards at the end of the run as I pulled up next to him his response was let's do it again, but this time you go first.
The down hill run was very hard on my brakes as plumes of vapors rose from my front brakes after the down hill run.
To cool off the brakes I turned around and did the course going uphill this time with the Esprit in the front position. Less braking was involved, the Esprit felt at home, and it seemed the bike laid back a bit perhaps on purpose to see how the Esprit performed on the turns. We both had fun and I have a good respect for the sport bikes performance and a skilled rider.
But the days of my youth and such activity as bike riding are over, I now prefer the comfort and all weather capabilties of a soild GT car.
To win a high percentage of impromtu street contests, it is important to know your opponents vehicle, your own car, and the conditions that allow you to come out on top. Just about any car can be beat given the right right circumstances, even an Esprit.
If you choose to engage is such an activity as street contest, just don't make the rest of us look bad by losing or by reckless behavior. Pick the place and circumstances that is best for you, your car, and skill level.
I, myself hate to lose at anything, many times will elect not to play unless I have a good expectation of coming out on top.
Calvin
>> Edited by cnh1990 on Wednesday 9th April 15:38
>> Edited by cnh1990 on Wednesday 9th April 15:41
There are no lights or someone to wave a flag to start an event. I try and be very aware of what a bike is doing when he is next to me (for that matter any car as well). I try to see/hear what he is doing and most likely what gear he is in.
While I can make concealed preperations like shutting off the A/C and a smooth down shift from 5th to 4th before dropping the hammer.
I have met very few highly skilled sport bike drivers on the road with proper equipment. Not having a proper high speed suit usually means a win for me at hwy speeds and above. As the discomfort from an open jacket flapping in the breeze must be overwhelming, it cetainly looks painfull having a big metal zipper bashing ones chest a few times a second. I do not take on bikes from a stop, only when I am rolling. We would loose big time from a standing start against a bike. Quarter mile stats are pretty irrelevant in hwy rolling starts and many road contest exceed 1/4 mile anyways. Bikes may feel fine on a prepared track but at high speeds on a common road way, I would rather be in car.
I must admit that this one particular person on a Ducati with a full suit gives me the hardest time (someone from down the street), going through a down hill stretch of a winding road many of us frequent I was right on his rear and he could not shake me.
I had to brake often to keep from bumping his rear. I could see his eyes in his mirrors. Afterwards at the end of the run as I pulled up next to him his response was let's do it again, but this time you go first.
The down hill run was very hard on my brakes as plumes of vapors rose from my front brakes after the down hill run.
To cool off the brakes I turned around and did the course going uphill this time with the Esprit in the front position. Less braking was involved, the Esprit felt at home, and it seemed the bike laid back a bit perhaps on purpose to see how the Esprit performed on the turns. We both had fun and I have a good respect for the sport bikes performance and a skilled rider.
But the days of my youth and such activity as bike riding are over, I now prefer the comfort and all weather capabilties of a soild GT car.
To win a high percentage of impromtu street contests, it is important to know your opponents vehicle, your own car, and the conditions that allow you to come out on top. Just about any car can be beat given the right right circumstances, even an Esprit.
If you choose to engage is such an activity as street contest, just don't make the rest of us look bad by losing or by reckless behavior. Pick the place and circumstances that is best for you, your car, and skill level.
I, myself hate to lose at anything, many times will elect not to play unless I have a good expectation of coming out on top.
Calvin
>> Edited by cnh1990 on Wednesday 9th April 15:38
>> Edited by cnh1990 on Wednesday 9th April 15:41
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