GRRC Trackday charge

[brierleys]

I've just booked at track day with Goldtrack at Goodwood for £229. I also noticed Easytrack had one for £199. I hope I remember this correctly, apologies if not, but isn't the GRRC members' track day charge £300 or more? Why is there a difference there? Isn't it traditional for club membership to benefit you with cheaper items than would be available on the open market?

Porsche club GB offer a £50 pound discount per track day for members which makes it worth joining the club.

[medullanocte]

Are you sure it isn't a half day that you've booked? I remember Goodwood being pretty expensive, which is a shame since it's my local track.

[brierleys]

No, it's a full day... http://www.goliathres.com/res_web_directory.asp?su...

The only difference I can see compared to the events I've done in the past is that these are 10 car session (98db), rather than 5 car session 105db, but the number of cars taking part is the same (25).

Note that Goldtrack doesn't specify the number of cars but Easytrack does..

http://www.easytrack.co.uk/product/Goodwood_27_Nov...

[Stephanie Plum]

This time of year you get less track time as there is less light - the price goes down accordingly, therefore TDOs can offer cheaper days. Also 98db days are always cheaper as they can run 40 cars, whereas 105db days are only 25, if run by GRRC or Goodwood themselves.

[brierleys]

But easytrack says...

FORMAT: Semi-open Informal groups. 10 cars on track at a time. Max 25 cars total in attendence - industry best.

So same number of cars as GRRC. I realise there's an hour less but I've never seen that sort of difference in price applied by the same organisation at different times of the year (Porsche club don't vary the price at all for the slightly shorter day IIRC).

[Stephanie Plum]

Each TDO can charge what they want, it's up to them at the end of the day. Take it up with Goodwood?

[richebets]

brierleys said:

Isn't it traditional for club membership to benefit you with cheaper items than would be available on the open market ?

I lot of people think that is the case!..But not with the Grrc !!

[geofflowe]

I have for some time thought about joinging th GRRC but I find it dreadful value for money TBH. As for the trackdays, as already mentioned, £300 is quite an amazing figure considering they own the bloody track. I think they justify it by saying that instruction is available on the day - whoopy, so do all the other trackday companies for a small charge. Some of the continental trips are even more hilariously expensive too.

GRRC is a huge money making machine that offers bugger all in my opinion. Also, who gives a f**k that Goodwood burgers from the NAAFI wagon are free-range from the Goodwood estate? For £5.50 I should want the the sodding cows wrapped up in warm blankets every night! They used to be £2.20 and just as nice - i've been going to Goodwood for many years and Julie always asks if I want a burger when I get my coffee but I politely decline! Go the Aero Club if you want some food is my advice.

Anyway, sorry for the rant but I feel so much better now. No doubt there will be a barrage of criticism now but do I care - NO!

Edited by geofflowe on Sunday 31st October 15:32

Edited by geofflowe on Sunday 31st October 15:33

[jgoodwood]

geofflowe said:

I have for some time thought about joinging th GRRC but I find it dreadful value for money TBH. As for the trackdays, as already mentioned, £300 is quite an amazing figure considering they own the bloody track. I think they justify it by saying that instruction is available on the day - whoopy, so do all the other trackday companies for a small charge. Some of the continental trips are even more hilariously expensive too.

GRRC is a huge money making machine that offers bugger all in my opinion. Also, who gives a f**k that Goodwood burgers from the NAAFI wagon are free-range from the Goodwood estate? For £5.50 I should want the the sodding cows wrapped up in warm blankets every night! They used to be £2.20 and just as nice - i've been going to Goodwood for many years and Julie always asks if I want a burger when I get my coffee but I politely decline! Go the Aero Club if you want some food is my advice.

Anyway, sorry for the rant but I feel so much better now. No doubt there will be a barrage of criticism now but do I care - NO!

Edited by geofflowe on Sunday 31st October 15:32

I guess it's not for everyone.... You could always join the Aero Club....;)

Edited by geofflowe on Sunday 31st October 15:33[/footnote]

[footnote]Edited by jgoodwood on Sunday 31st October 17:23

[Eric Mc]

Is the Classic Aetro Club still running? I let my GRRC lapse a couple of years ago but liked the idea of the Classic Aviation club.

[brierleys]

So food aside (I usually take sandwiches and a flask to Goodwood), I still find it bonkers that the GRRC can't provide a track day for less that the market rate. Just matching the price of the others would be a start.

[jgoodwood]

brierleys said:

So food aside (I usually take sandwiches and a flask to Goodwood), I still find it bonkers that the GRRC can't provide a track day for less that the market rate. Just matching the price of the others would be a start.

When we book the circuit - we have to pay the going rate for the hire and marshals etc.. The cost we charge means that we would make the princely sum of £6.34 (net) if we sell all 25 places on a 105dB day in the Summer. I don't want to make any profit from these events (although we do make a little more on the 98dB days) but I can't make a loss. We can't be compared to other Clubs as we simply operate differently. Porsche Club may be able to offer a discount to it's Members but i don't know how they operate - or if these days are subsidised by Porsche GB so I can't really comment on that.

The costs for the circuit drop at this time of year meaning that operators can charge less for their days - esp 98dB days where more cars can attend - perhaps this is where the confusion comes from.

Hope this helps.

James

[brierleys]

jgoodwood said:

brierleys said:

So food aside (I usually take sandwiches and a flask to Goodwood), I still find it bonkers that the GRRC can't provide a track day for less that the market rate. Just matching the price of the others would be a start.

When we book the circuit - we have to pay the going rate for the hire and marshals etc.. The cost we charge means that we would make the princely sum of £6.34 (net) if we sell all 25 places on a 105dB day in the Summer. I don't want to make any profit from these events (although we do make a little more on the 98dB days) but I can't make a loss. We can't be compared to other Clubs as we simply operate differently. Porsche Club may be able to offer a discount to it's Members but i don't know how they operate - or if these days are subsidised by Porsche GB so I can't really comment on that.

The costs for the circuit drop at this time of year meaning that operators can charge less for their days - esp 98dB days where more cars can attend - perhaps this is where the confusion comes from.

Hope this helps.

James

James. Thanks for the explanation. I didn't reaslise you were so close to break-even. If 98db winter days with instructors not included are cheaper, can GRRC add some days like that to the calendar to give the members more choice? The attendance for the two 98 days I looked at were 30 or 25 cars max. Obviously 25 is the same as the 105 days but 30 or 35 would certainly help with the costs and still allow a reasonable amount of track time.

[AJ-T]

I did a Goodwood day this year, not GRRC. I got 7 goes on track and the whole day cost me £320. To add insult to injury they stopped for 15 minutes to have bloody cake!!
I just couldn't believe it, I actually thought they were pulling my leg, strapped in the car, ready to go and then ohh its cake time!!! WTF!!!

I love Goodwood, I go to all the events, support everything they do, member of the club, have done several trackdays there a year for the last 5 years, however Im really starting to struggle to see where my money is going to and how it is benefiting me by doing a trackday there!

Goodwood you really need to offer something else, cut the free instruction, cake, coffee, tea, free helmet hire etc. People go there to drive their car on the track and get the most out of their day, thats it, Car-Driver-Track!

Maybe do Novice and Advanced days, catering for different people. Or a no frills, cut the Cake out of the equation and save yourself £50 day! I don't know, I don't run it, but something needs to be done!?

Sorry for the rant, but it used to be so good and now it seems to have become well I hate to say it 'snobby' and overpriced, aimed at the Horay Henry's not the average folk like myself.

Lets hope 2011 brings about something fresh and new.

Edited by AJ-T on Sunday 7th November 19:23

[aaronc]

Perhaps Stellios needs to start a track day company..no frills 8 hour open pit lane..and we dont stop for cake!

[seawise]

aaronc said:

Perhaps Stellios needs to start a track day company..no frills 8 hour open pit lane..and we dont stop for cake!

yeah, except that days would be cancelled at a moments notice, there would be an unsightly scramble to queue to get on track and all the marshalls would be miserable as they horribly underpaid....

[Gwagon111]

Maybe I'm in a minority, but I like the Goodwood ethos of you pay a bit more but get a higher quality, value added product. Rather than paying less and getting a stack 'em high sell 'em cheap type of day which you can do at lots of tracks anywhere in the world. It's what sets Goodwood apart from the pack.

[brierleys]

aaronc said:

Perhaps Stellios needs to start a track day company..no frills 8 hour open pit lane..and we dont stop for cake!

There is already an "Easytrack" trackday company and they are one of the cheapest.

[brierleys]

Gwagon111 said:

Maybe I'm in a minority, but I like the Goodwood ethos of you pay a bit more but get a higher quality, value added product. Rather than paying less and getting a stack 'em high sell 'em cheap type of day which you can do at lots of tracks anywhere in the world. It's what sets Goodwood apart from the pack.

I would agree with that theory, but my point was that I couldn't find anything substantially different between the expensive trackdays and the cheaper ones, seeing as the organisers are limited to 5 or 10 cars sessions at Goodwood. They are not allowed open pit lane.

[jack_st]

they never replay to any of my emails so i give up them them now