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This is the Canyon equivalent http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=30...
or you could save yourself £350 and get the same kit but on their excellent alu frame http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=30...
Don't discount alu, it's a great material despite what n00bs may think.
or you could save yourself £350 and get the same kit but on their excellent alu frame http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=30...
Don't discount alu, it's a great material despite what n00bs may think.
You can build a canyon you only have to tighten about 6 bolts and place the wheels in the frame you get a dvd and a book and a torque wrench to make it almost impossible for anything to go wrong. Check out the canyon outlet store http://www.canyon.com/_en/outlet/list.html?type=ra...
You can build a canyon you only have to tighten about 6 bolts and place the wheels in the frame you get a dvd and a book and a torque wrench to make it almost impossible for anything to go wrong. Check out the canyon outlet store http://www.canyon.com/_en/outlet/list.html?type=ra...
You can build a canyon you only have to tighten about 6 bolts and place the wheels in the frame you get a dvd and a book and a torque wrench to make it almost impossible for anything to go wrong. Check out the canyon outlet store http://www.canyon.com/_en/outlet/list.html?type=ra...
I don't know how the wheelset stacks up against the ones shown above, but have you looked at Mekk?
http://www.mekkbicycles.com/Primo-Si-5.5-Ultegra.a...
http://www.mekkbicycles.com/Potenza-SL-5.5-Ultegra...
http://www.mekkbicycles.com/Primo-Si-5.5-Ultegra.a...
http://www.mekkbicycles.com/Potenza-SL-5.5-Ultegra...
Rouleur said:
This is the Canyon equivalent http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=30...
or you could save yourself £350 and get the same kit but on their excellent alu frame http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=30...
Or, you could spend an extra couple of hundred quid and get the Alu frame with Di2!!or you could save yourself £350 and get the same kit but on their excellent alu frame http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=30...
Nip along to WyndyMilla for a smooch around their showroom - it's just down the road from you in Seale, bikes are a bit out of your price range but they are a great group of guys and will happily sit down over a coffee and have a chat about carbon v Alu. Don't be surprised if you leave having decided to stick with your Alu bike for another 6 months while you save a bit more cash for one of their carbon Massive Attack's!! Also, they usually have a couple of ex-demo bikes at a massive discount.
I came close to pulling the trigger on a Felt F4 last year, there are a few around for the 2k mark if you spend a bit of time googling. Personally I really rated it, but the geo is quite aggressive so it does not suit everyone.
Look are just about the worst value bikes in production. So steer away from those IMO.
Ultegra will feel no different to your 105, so that isn't really an upgrade as such, and the carbon frame, well, it will probably feel better, but its not going to make you any faster, just so you know that, as its an important thing to note when you are spending a lot of cash
And regards to turning up at the Sunday ride etc, forget what other people think, nobody gives a s
t. I've turned up on my commuter with mudguards and nobody mentions it, equally I've turned up on my face bike with Zipp wheels, nobody cares. We sometimes ride with this fat guy who is absolute st who has the Mondurain LOOK 695 with £2k wheels, I like his bike, a lot, but nobody says "why has that fat tt got an 8 grand bike"!
Ultegra will feel no different to your 105, so that isn't really an upgrade as such, and the carbon frame, well, it will probably feel better, but its not going to make you any faster, just so you know that, as its an important thing to note when you are spending a lot of cash
And regards to turning up at the Sunday ride etc, forget what other people think, nobody gives a s
t. I've turned up on my commuter with mudguards and nobody mentions it, equally I've turned up on my face bike with Zipp wheels, nobody cares. We sometimes ride with this fat guy who is absolute st who has the Mondurain LOOK 695 with £2k wheels, I like his bike, a lot, but nobody says "why has that fat tt got an 8 grand bike"!Edited by okgo on Monday 25th February 18:09
As an alternative, I (well my son Andy) would recommend one of these.
A Dolan Ares SL
His is equiped with SRAM Force, which having carbon cranks and levers is quite a bit lighter than Ultegra and costs less. Ultegra equiped start at about £1800 with the cheapest wheelset. Andy's came equiped with Aksiums for training, he uses Fulcrums for racing. Dolan will customise pretty much any aspect of the bike, and you can go to the factory showroom to specify it. The frame is Di2 ready, with internal cable routing and battery mounting holes under the downtube.
He loves his!
A Dolan Ares SL
His is equiped with SRAM Force, which having carbon cranks and levers is quite a bit lighter than Ultegra and costs less. Ultegra equiped start at about £1800 with the cheapest wheelset. Andy's came equiped with Aksiums for training, he uses Fulcrums for racing. Dolan will customise pretty much any aspect of the bike, and you can go to the factory showroom to specify it. The frame is Di2 ready, with internal cable routing and battery mounting holes under the downtube.
He loves his!
Edited by weedram on Monday 25th February 18:17
Well I think Look are perhaps a bit like Pinarello, their cheap bikes (ed knows about this as he has one) are well overpriced and they are trading off their tdf credentials, but I suspect the 695 is as good as a bike gets, much like a dogma probably is.
I tend to think that the big names all make similar level top end frames, Cervelo perhaps are the most geeky with their documentation on aero gains etc, but the fact so many of the worlds biggest races have been won on fairly modest bikes shows you it's about the lungs powering it more than anything.
I tend to think that the big names all make similar level top end frames, Cervelo perhaps are the most geeky with their documentation on aero gains etc, but the fact so many of the worlds biggest races have been won on fairly modest bikes shows you it's about the lungs powering it more than anything.
okgo said:
Well I think Look are perhaps a bit like Pinarello, their cheap bikes (ed knows about this as he has one) are well overpriced and they are trading off their tdf credentials, but I suspect the 695 is as good as a bike gets, much like a dogma probably is.
When I was in the market for a new bike last year a well known independent bike shop in Reading (who used to race a few teams), pretty much echoed your sentiments (although he added a few other brands into the mix). In his opinion some of the best plastic on the market comes out of the doors of the GIANT factory - but are not 'sexy' enough for most buyers who walk through the doors of the shop, so are discounted before the buyer considers a test ride. In his opinion some of the most unreliable plastic on the market (or at least the brand with the highest level of frame and fork failure), was Trek - yet it has one of the longest waiting lists and best reputations (and probably biggest marketing budgets)!
I think there is a bit more to Look than their le tour credentials, Look demonstrate just how different carbon bikes can be. We all talk about carbon bikes like they are one for the most part, that they share the same manufacturing and production techniques etc but in truth they vary massively.
The cheap carbon frames will be sepearate tubes bonded together, then you have the more expensive models which have a front triangle built up together bonded to a rear triangle.
Then you have brands like Look who use single pieces of carbon from the mech hanger through the chainstays and through to the top of the fork steerer tube. Thats why they cost so much... I'd have a 675 if i could afford one and yes, I couldnt possibly tell if it was as good as a Canyon or a Pinarello or whether that carbon manufacturing process was better or worse than those used by their competitors but ultimately it really wouldnt matter.
The cheap carbon frames will be sepearate tubes bonded together, then you have the more expensive models which have a front triangle built up together bonded to a rear triangle.
Then you have brands like Look who use single pieces of carbon from the mech hanger through the chainstays and through to the top of the fork steerer tube. Thats why they cost so much... I'd have a 675 if i could afford one and yes, I couldnt possibly tell if it was as good as a Canyon or a Pinarello or whether that carbon manufacturing process was better or worse than those used by their competitors but ultimately it really wouldnt matter.
pablo said:
or whether that carbon manufacturing process was better or worse than those used by their competitors but ultimately it really wouldnt matter.
I think you would be surprised in the difference the carbon wrap up process makes. I borrowed a mates Kuota Kharma last year for a 60 mile ride. It was lightweight and fast but flexy as a gymnast to the point where it was really noticeable on Bury Hill in Sussex, plus it was possible to indent the top tube with your thumb. By contrast I rode a Felt F series the following week which was equally lightweight but very stiff with no noticeable flex on the climbs. MadDad said:
pablo said:
or whether that carbon manufacturing process was better or worse than those used by their competitors but ultimately it really wouldnt matter.
I think you would be surprised in the difference the carbon wrap up process makes. I borrowed a mates Kuota Kharma last year for a 60 mile ride. It was lightweight and fast but flexy as a gymnast to the point where it was really noticeable on Bury Hill in Sussex, plus it was possible to indent the top tube with your thumb. By contrast I rode a Felt F series the following week which was equally lightweight but very stiff with no noticeable flex on the climbs. I know it doesnt make sense, sorry.... I'll get back to work!
pablo said:
MadDad said:
pablo said:
or whether that carbon manufacturing process was better or worse than those used by their competitors but ultimately it really wouldnt matter.
I think you would be surprised in the difference the carbon wrap up process makes. I borrowed a mates Kuota Kharma last year for a 60 mile ride. It was lightweight and fast but flexy as a gymnast to the point where it was really noticeable on Bury Hill in Sussex, plus it was possible to indent the top tube with your thumb. By contrast I rode a Felt F series the following week which was equally lightweight but very stiff with no noticeable flex on the climbs. I know it doesnt make sense, sorry.... I'll get back to work!
I know what you mean - goes back to the principal of 'ride what you like, and like what you ride!!'....
I had also better get back to work............
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