Go on then....what bike (please)
Go on then....what bike (please)
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dirty boy

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14,859 posts

238 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
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That bike I 'acquired'....the Viking jobbie..

well, it wants to go back to its owner. So i'm left either giving up road biking or getting my own.

Of course, i'm hooked, so I want my own now.

I had a friend pop round last night and show me his Giant Defy 4. I was very impressed to be honest, seemed to a non-pro like me, that it was a lot of bike for the money, weighed half of the Viking too!

I think £600 is a decent start point for me...maybe up to £800...

All help and guidance welcome.

As I know it's custom to always look at the top end of budget, I like these two.


I've seen the Cube Peloton Pro

and the Giant Defy 3

Both look nice too, which helps. The Giant frame looks better, but whether it's the better bike I know not.

I have pedals, shoes and helmet I'll be taking off the Viking.

TKF

6,232 posts

264 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
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Given your location in the flatlands a triple chainset is pointless.

I'd have a look at a Ribble Sportive with Tiagra. B'Twin FC3 from Decathlon is a lot of bike for the money.

dirty boy

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14,859 posts

238 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
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TKF said:
B'Twin FC3 from Decathlon is a lot of bike for the money.
You've already gone over my budget!

944fan

4,962 posts

214 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
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The Trek 1.2 and Spesh Allez Sport are both within your budget and are very good. The Giant and Cube seem to have slightly better groupset as it is predominately Tiagra, whereas the Trek and Spesh are Sora/Tiagra mix. Not that there is anything wrong with Sora.

The Trek 1.1 and base Allez are both £550. I just bought the 1.1 which has 2300 groupset. The shifters are a bit st and the range of gears is more limited. I was stuck with a budget of £500 from my Bike2Work scheme so had to go with the 1.1.

jfdi

1,334 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
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A lot of bike for the money you say ....

http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=30...

My wife has this bike, very nicely made and serious spec for the money.

Budgets are there to be broken. smile

straight dad

531 posts

186 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
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TwistingMyMelon

6,514 posts

234 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
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straight dad said:
Tempted by one of them with mudguards for a winter/all year commuter , anyone had one before?

straight dad

531 posts

186 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
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TwistingMyMelon said:
Tempted by one of them with mudguards for a winter/all year commuter , anyone had one before?
My first road bike, good value, well specked (plus you can alter the build)a good all year round ride.

yellowjack

18,454 posts

195 months

Thursday 20th June 2013
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dirty boy said:
You've already gone over my budget!
This is quite normal for a 'what bike' thread where you ask other people to 'spend your money' for you. You should have been warned about this when you first signed up.

Personally, I'd find the extra dosh, and buy something with 105/Ultegra, because I'm a groupset groupie. Sad, but there you go.

Gizmoish

18,150 posts

238 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Planet-X http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/FBPXPRORIV12/p...

Budget you say? Oh. CAAD8 Sora.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Genesis Volant 10 - good spec and the best looking bike I've seen for years. Has rack and guard mounts and sensible all day geometry.

dirty boy

Original Poster:

14,859 posts

238 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Gizmoish said:
Planet-X http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/FBPXPRORIV12/p...

Budget you say? Oh. CAAD8 Sora.
That's nice.

But expensive.



I don't seem to be getting much feedback on the Giant Defy, are they not much cop?

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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The Defy is a good bike, theres not a lot to differentiate it from the rest at that price point though to be honest. Sure people will get excited because its got 10 sp Tiagra bits and others around £800 have 9 sp Sora but then its got a lot of Giant branded OEM kit on it which may be nice and light or uncomfrtable and heavy. I'd look at replacing the tyres pretty quickly as an example. 10 sp will make upgrades in the future nice and simple however so its worth considering if you think you will upgrade components over time rather than the whole bike.

My personal opinion is simply that Giant are a big brand and have a large high street presence so naturally are very popular. Nothing wrong with that, they just leave me a bit cold.

As far as the Planet X goes, yes its £150 more than the Defy/your budget, but you do get far more than £150 worth of kit. Its not like you're spending an extra £150 just to get one or two slightly better components, you're getting a well regarded carbon frame, a far superior groupset and a much lighter wheelset...

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 21st June 09:01

Gizmoish

18,150 posts

238 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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dirty boy said:
Gizmoish said:
Planet-X http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/FBPXPRORIV12/p...

Budget you say? Oh. CAAD8 Sora.
That's nice.

But expensive.



I don't seem to be getting much feedback on the Giant Defy, are they not much cop?
Nothing wrong with the Defy at all.

I was just helping your budget creep wink

In the £6xx range I'd be looking at this http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/... - can get 10% off for being a British Cycling member.

richardxjr

7,561 posts

239 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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dirty boy said:
I don't seem to be getting much feedback on the Giant Defy, are they not much cop?
Alu Defy 1 with 105 is very well regarded, won a lot of 'best bike under a grand' mag tests. Wheels are the weak point though as usual. It's £999.

For the same money I'd be getting that 7.7kg planet x though for the reasons pablo gives above. In fact that is what I will be doing. (Or the Ultegra version if they reduce it to 1199 again)

It's a false economy buying a lower spec bike. Upgradeitis sets in quickly and will cost a lot more than buying good spec in the first place.

OR the cheaper bike will turn into your winter bike and you'll buy another better spec one too hehe



Gizmoish

18,150 posts

238 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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richardxjr said:
It's a false economy buying a lower spec bike. Upgradeitis sets in quickly and will cost a lot more than buying good spec in the first place.
As with most things I reckon there's a sweet spot: up to a point you'll get better kit for not much money, and beyond it you're into diminishing returns. That sweet spot is somewhere between £900 and £2000 I think: a £900 bike is much better than a £700 one, a £1800 will be twice as good, a £3600 one will be brilliant but not twice as good as the £1800.

944fan

4,962 posts

214 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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Gizmoish said:
As with most things I reckon there's a sweet spot: up to a point you'll get better kit for not much money, and beyond it you're into diminishing returns. That sweet spot is somewhere between £900 and £2000 I think: a £900 bike is much better than a £700 one, a £1800 will be twice as good, a £3600 one will be brilliant but not twice as good as the £1800.
Its a good point. But so much of it depends on the rider. I frequently pass MAMILs on £2K+ carbon jobbies on my £550 Trek. Would I be any faster on one of those? Possibly, but if you don't have the power and fitness then the bike is largely irrelevant.

One main reason I didn't go for an expensive bike is I am overweight (hence the interest in cycling). There was little point me paying £2K to get a carbon frame and save a couple of kilos when I need to lose a couple of stone!

Not disagreeing with your original post but adding further food for thought.


Gizmoish

18,150 posts

238 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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944fan said:
Gizmoish said:
As with most things I reckon there's a sweet spot: up to a point you'll get better kit for not much money, and beyond it you're into diminishing returns. That sweet spot is somewhere between £900 and £2000 I think: a £900 bike is much better than a £700 one, a £1800 will be twice as good, a £3600 one will be brilliant but not twice as good as the £1800.
Its a good point. But so much of it depends on the rider. I frequently pass MAMILs on £2K+ carbon jobbies on my £550 Trek. Would I be any faster on one of those? Possibly, but if you don't have the power and fitness then the bike is largely irrelevant.

One main reason I didn't go for an expensive bike is I am overweight (hence the interest in cycling). There was little point me paying £2K to get a carbon frame and save a couple of kilos when I need to lose a couple of stone!

Not disagreeing with your original post but adding further food for thought.
All very true.

However, this is PH and not Lentilheads: weaving matters - so if someone has £5k to spend on an expensive bike that they ride around like Aunt Doris, I support them as much as I would someone buying a Gallardo to go shopping.

TKF

6,232 posts

264 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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944fan said:
One main reason I didn't go for an expensive bike is I am overweight (hence the interest in cycling). There was little point me paying £2K to get a carbon frame and save a couple of kilos when I need to lose a couple of stone!
Carbon bikes aren't just about the weight saving. It's the frame rigidity that I noticed most when I went Al to CF.

There is seemingly no slack in the system and therefore much less wasted energy.

944fan

4,962 posts

214 months

Friday 21st June 2013
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So what you are both saying is I am justified in going and buying an expensive Carbon number now?

Interesting.