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Hi all, I bought a Giant Defy 1 a couple of months ago but recently had to stop riding it due to knee pain on the outside of my knees. I have tried changing my cleet positions but after another 15 mile test ride the pain was still there. I have now given it 2 full weeks without riding and have another cleet position to try. Is this just trial and error or is there something I am missing. My bike was fit for my by the LSB and looking at videos online it seems to be fit correctly. Could it just be down to technique?
Any pearls or wisdom as I really want to resolve the issue so I can get back out. My only other thoughts are that I tried to do too much too soon. Started off doing 16 miles 2 or 3 times a week with a couple of 30 milers over succesive weekends. I did 52 miles about 3 weeks ago and since then have only been able to do this 15 mile test ride where the pain was still prevelant. That was one week after the 52 miles so maybe the new cleet position was ok I just didnt give my knees long enough to heal and the short ride agrivated them again. Pretty stumped and wondered if anyone had had similar issues and a resolution.
thanks all.
Any pearls or wisdom as I really want to resolve the issue so I can get back out. My only other thoughts are that I tried to do too much too soon. Started off doing 16 miles 2 or 3 times a week with a couple of 30 milers over succesive weekends. I did 52 miles about 3 weeks ago and since then have only been able to do this 15 mile test ride where the pain was still prevelant. That was one week after the 52 miles so maybe the new cleet position was ok I just didnt give my knees long enough to heal and the short ride agrivated them again. Pretty stumped and wondered if anyone had had similar issues and a resolution.
thanks all.
My sympathies. Don t know if this is any help but as an ex bikie the only occasion I experienced any knee pain was due to slight play of the pedals and bottom bracket.
Since taking up walking some knee pain recurred but this was years ago and after taking glucosamine now for 5years +, touchwood I have had no further problems.....
Have a read of this http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/take-care-of...
After changing to a new pair of shoes early this year I started to get discomfort in the outer knee ligament (LCL)in one leg. I sat on the edge of a table and realised that my right foot turned outwards which meant I had to replicate that angle with my cleat position by pointing it towards my big toe. Bingo, problem sorted.
After changing to a new pair of shoes early this year I started to get discomfort in the outer knee ligament (LCL)in one leg. I sat on the edge of a table and realised that my right foot turned outwards which meant I had to replicate that angle with my cleat position by pointing it towards my big toe. Bingo, problem sorted.
It could have been too much too soon in combination with less than ideal bike fit, and then it wasn't as well recovered as you thought when you got back on.
One thing that I will massively advocate is icing your knee 3/4 times per day, for 20 minutes a time. I always was sceptical when it came to icing, but now I am a massive advocate; it really does work.
Posted from my couch, with ice packs on my knee which I injured earlier in the week...
One thing that I will massively advocate is icing your knee 3/4 times per day, for 20 minutes a time. I always was sceptical when it came to icing, but now I am a massive advocate; it really does work.
Posted from my couch, with ice packs on my knee which I injured earlier in the week...
It could have been too much too soon in combination with less than ideal bike fit, and then it wasn't as well recovered as you thought when you got back on.
One thing that I will massively advocate is icing your knee 3/4 times per day, for 20 minutes a time. I always was sceptical when it came to icing, but now I am a massive advocate; it really does work.
Posted from my couch, with ice packs on my knee which I injured earlier in the week...
One thing that I will massively advocate is icing your knee 3/4 times per day, for 20 minutes a time. I always was sceptical when it came to icing, but now I am a massive advocate; it really does work.
Posted from my couch, with ice packs on my knee which I injured earlier in the week...
Thanks all. Some good info.
I did 20 miles today, first time on the bike in 2-3 weeks.
To answer some of the questions I haven't had a road bike since I was a kid. Whilst I have a mountain bike I wouldn't say I ride it regularly. I've done occasion 30 mile rides on my mtb in the past though and had no discomfort.
I am getting a slight pain behind the knee too if that helps with the diagnosis.
It's frustrating because all I want to do is go out tomorrow adjust my seat position and test it but i am unsure if i will get an accurate feel in that i might get the position right but not know it because my knees are still uncomfortsble from todays ride. I find myself shuffling my arse further back on the seat from time to time to find a more comfortable cruising position. My bike was fit when I went to buy it but I wasn't accustom to the bike at that point so maybe I have adopted a slightly different riding position since. My seat height was set in the fit and my hips don't rock so I don't think it's a seat height issue.
I got pain on the outside of my right knee today after about 10 miles. The left then started to register a slight pain after about 15 miles. It's barable for about 20 miles but no more and I don't want to be riding with pain as I know something isn't right.
I am going to try moving my seat back slightly and possible a very sligh nose up attitude to and see how I get on. I have physio booked for an old hamstring issue in a few weeks so will get some advice then too if I haven't fixed it by then.
Thanks again for everyone's input.
Mike
I did 20 miles today, first time on the bike in 2-3 weeks.
To answer some of the questions I haven't had a road bike since I was a kid. Whilst I have a mountain bike I wouldn't say I ride it regularly. I've done occasion 30 mile rides on my mtb in the past though and had no discomfort.
I am getting a slight pain behind the knee too if that helps with the diagnosis.
It's frustrating because all I want to do is go out tomorrow adjust my seat position and test it but i am unsure if i will get an accurate feel in that i might get the position right but not know it because my knees are still uncomfortsble from todays ride. I find myself shuffling my arse further back on the seat from time to time to find a more comfortable cruising position. My bike was fit when I went to buy it but I wasn't accustom to the bike at that point so maybe I have adopted a slightly different riding position since. My seat height was set in the fit and my hips don't rock so I don't think it's a seat height issue.
I got pain on the outside of my right knee today after about 10 miles. The left then started to register a slight pain after about 15 miles. It's barable for about 20 miles but no more and I don't want to be riding with pain as I know something isn't right.
I am going to try moving my seat back slightly and possible a very sligh nose up attitude to and see how I get on. I have physio booked for an old hamstring issue in a few weeks so will get some advice then too if I haven't fixed it by then.
Thanks again for everyone's input.
Mike
Grandfondo said:
Sounds like ITS band.
Look it up and do the streches and get a foam roller!
Thanks, already come across these foam rollers in my Internet searching over the last couple of weeks. Will look into one and in the mean time get some ice on my knees to help speed up the recovery.Look it up and do the streches and get a foam roller!
I found moving my cleats backwards so I am pedalling more with the ball of my foot helped.
Also - stretch - I can't emphasise this enough. I had all sorts of back pain, knee pain etc when I started (and still do after a particularly long ride) and found stretching my ham strings is the cure. In fact the more I stretch them the better I feel in general.
Also - stretch - I can't emphasise this enough. I had all sorts of back pain, knee pain etc when I started (and still do after a particularly long ride) and found stretching my ham strings is the cure. In fact the more I stretch them the better I feel in general.
Not sure it's all that relevant to the OP, but yesterday I did a big ride out to Box Hill and back. Between laps of Box Hill I got out my multi-tool and raised the seat post between 5 and 10 mm. I'd been experiencing knee pain at the front and toward the top of my right kneecap. The remainder of the ride was relatively pain-free, so the change has done some good. I'll have to see how it goes for a few hundred miles, but at the moment I'm fairly certain I've finally found a more comfortable position on the bike, although swinging my leg over with my dodgy hip just got that much more difficult.
I had a very similar thing after a 70 mile sportive 1 year into riding. Oringally I thought it was due to the mileage but it stayed with me so I thought I'd look into it. I could feel that my knee was being stretched and pulled but not really sure why or what I could do. I rode around making lots of adjustments.
The outcome was my knee was being stretched by two things; the saddle height and cleat angle.
I lowered the saddle by approx 6mm which made a big difference and went to a local hill. At the bottom I moved my cleat angle subtly and cycled up the hill. I did this about 10 times until I got to the top with no pain whatsoever.
The outcome was my knee was being stretched by two things; the saddle height and cleat angle.
I lowered the saddle by approx 6mm which made a big difference and went to a local hill. At the bottom I moved my cleat angle subtly and cycled up the hill. I did this about 10 times until I got to the top with no pain whatsoever.
@patatoes I didn't get as much pain after dropping my seat slightly so I am hoping that I might be getting closer. Already changed my cleats.
@Daddy cool I am in Newbury and there are some good LBSs around here so I just need to go and see them. I still haven't had the first service from pedal on yet so may ask them when I take it back soon for its first service. Thanks for the recommendation though.
@Daddy cool I am in Newbury and there are some good LBSs around here so I just need to go and see them. I still haven't had the first service from pedal on yet so may ask them when I take it back soon for its first service. Thanks for the recommendation though.
///Mike said:
@patatoes I didn't get as much pain after dropping my seat slightly so I am hoping that I might be getting closer. Already changed my cleats.
@Daddy cool I am in Newbury and there are some good LBSs around here so I just need to go and see them. I still haven't had the first service from pedal on yet so may ask them when I take it back soon for its first service. Thanks for the recommendation though.
A £40 wouldn't be worth a w@Daddy cool I am in Newbury and there are some good LBSs around here so I just need to go and see them. I still haven't had the first service from pedal on yet so may ask them when I take it back soon for its first service. Thanks for the recommendation though.
k. If you're serious about getting it sorted, £235 at The bike Whisperer (recently relocated to Newbury) will be money VERY well spent, by all accounts. Gassing Station | Pedal Powered | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff