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So I am riding along on a country road on my MTB, and I am about to turn right, when two guys, say "Can you wait here, we have cattle coming down the road".
So I dismount and stand on the left of the side of the road I want to turn into, guy says "Can you move over as our cattle will be turning there", so I move to the other side of the road.
The cattle come down the road and turn right, (farmers moving cattle to another field). Followed by a car and a van, so I wait until the vehicles (neither of which are indicating) to pass.
As the van turns left, he passes me so close I have to move my bike, so I bang on the side of the van.
He gets out and as he approaches me I ask if he saw me.
All he can say is "you shouldn't be there, read the highway code"
I wanted to ask him which part of the highway code said you could almost run pedestrians over, but he got in his van and went.
I am thinking did this really happen.
This is my first encounter with a motorist as a cyclist. I Have been driving over 40 years, and think I am very familiar with the HC.
So I dismount and stand on the left of the side of the road I want to turn into, guy says "Can you move over as our cattle will be turning there", so I move to the other side of the road.
The cattle come down the road and turn right, (farmers moving cattle to another field). Followed by a car and a van, so I wait until the vehicles (neither of which are indicating) to pass.
As the van turns left, he passes me so close I have to move my bike, so I bang on the side of the van.
He gets out and as he approaches me I ask if he saw me.
All he can say is "you shouldn't be there, read the highway code"
I wanted to ask him which part of the highway code said you could almost run pedestrians over, but he got in his van and went.
I am thinking did this really happen.
This is my first encounter with a motorist as a cyclist. I Have been driving over 40 years, and think I am very familiar with the HC.
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 1st November 20:26
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 1st November 20:34
MadDad said:
Get used to it, you are treated as an equal in a car and treated with contempt on a bike (regardless of how you ride, if you follow the HC, if you are courteous, if you give way even when it's your right of way, etc, etc, etc)....
I was stationary, waiting for the cattle come down the road, so essentially I was a pedestrian, so I have no idea why he thought he could run me down, and tell me I shouldn't have been there.I hope balls turn into oxo cubes and his kids are beef
On a pedantic note, I always thought you were a cyclist while holding, or pushing your bike with it on the ground but you become a pedestrian, and your bike a 'parcel', the moment you lift it from the ground. At least that's the way I understood it in the context of pedestrian crossings.
Anyway less pedantically, I had my first car banging incident yesterday when an ignorant motorist passed me, indicating left while doing so, then immediately braked and pulled into a fuel station. I had to brake hard and swerve round the car (or else hit it). I banged the side of the car with my hand and adopted an expression of disbelief. The passenger looked horrified. The driver didn't flinch. Incredible.
Anyway less pedantically, I had my first car banging incident yesterday when an ignorant motorist passed me, indicating left while doing so, then immediately braked and pulled into a fuel station. I had to brake hard and swerve round the car (or else hit it). I banged the side of the car with my hand and adopted an expression of disbelief. The passenger looked horrified. The driver didn't flinch. Incredible.
griffter said:
On a pedantic note, I always thought you were a cyclist while holding, or pushing your bike with it on the ground but you become a pedestrian, and your bike a 'parcel', the moment you lift it from the ground. At least that's the way I understood it in the context of pedestrian crossings.
I think that was clarified in the courts a couple of years ago and you are now a cyclist as long as you have both feet on the ground and the bike is to your side - similar to a pedestrian pushing a trolley. Scooting, whether with the bike between your legs or with one foot on a pedal, is still technically cycling though.Mr Will said:
I think that was clarified in the courts a couple of years ago and you are now a cyclistpedestrian as long as you have both feet on the ground and the bike is to your side - similar to a pedestrian pushing a trolley. Scooting, whether with the bike between your legs or with one foot on a pedal, is still technically cycling though.
Fixed that for you.Mr Will said:
griffter said:
On a pedantic note, I always thought you were a cyclist while holding, or pushing your bike with it on the ground but you become a pedestrian, and your bike a 'parcel', the moment you lift it from the ground. At least that's the way I understood it in the context of pedestrian crossings.
I think that was clarified in the courts a couple of years ago and you are now a cyclist as long as you have both feet on the ground and the bike is to your side - similar to a pedestrian pushing a trolley. Scooting, whether with the bike between your legs or with one foot on a pedal, is still technically cycling though.presiding judge Lord Justice Sir George Mark Waller said:
"In my judgment a person who is walking across a pedestrian crossing pushing a bicycle, having started on the pavement on one side on her feet and not on the bicycle, and going across pushing the bicycle with both feet on the ground so to speak is clearly a 'foot passenger'. If for example she had been using it as a scooter by having one foot on the pedal and pushing herself along, she would not have been a 'foot passenger'. But the fact that she had the bicycle in her hand and was walking does not create any difference from a case where she is walking without a bicycle in her hand."
It's not impossible for another judge in another case to interpret the law differently, but this certainly sets a precedent and seems to fully comply with the basic rules of "common sense".Edited by yellowjack on Monday 3rd November 15:02
littleandy0410 said:
Mr Will said:
I think that was clarified in the courts a couple of years ago and you are now a cyclistpedestrian as long as you have both feet on the ground and the bike is to your side - similar to a pedestrian pushing a trolley. Scooting, whether with the bike between your legs or with one foot on a pedal, is still technically cycling though.
Fixed that for you.Mr Will said:
littleandy0410 said:
Mr Will said:
I think that was clarified in the courts a couple of years ago and you are now a cyclistpedestrian as long as you have both feet on the ground and the bike is to your side - similar to a pedestrian pushing a trolley. Scooting, whether with the bike between your legs or with one foot on a pedal, is still technically cycling though.
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