Can anyone explain Maxxis tyre jargon?
Discussion
Afternoon all,
I currently have some Panaracers on my 27.5" full susser which have been pretty decent in the gloop, but annoyingly just won't quite seal properly, so I'm losing around 4 PSI in a fortnight with the bike just sat in the garage.
My 26" hardtail, on the other hand, with a Maxxis High Roller LUST on the front and a Maxxis Ardent LUST (fnarr!) on the rear seated absolutely perfectly first time, and just does not lose pressure at all. It's not so great in the mud though.
Given the above, I thought I'd fit some Maxxis tyres to my full susser, and that's where the confusion starts! Firstly, they seem to have loads of size-specific models, but even when I refine Chain Reaction to 27.5" only, I'm still bamboozled! There's 3C MaxxGrip, EXO, Maxxpro 62, TR, DH, etc, etc...
What on earth does it all mean???
Most of my riding is Surrey Hills, Swinley and the like, plus I'm off to Bike Park Wales in May, but doubt I'll go beyond the blues there. Tyres leave the ground occasionally, but never by more than a few inches! I'll definitely want to run them tubeless, and there's 17 stone of me squashing them!
If anyone can suggest which tyres I want - almost certainly Maxxis, but would possibly consider others - which will give me a recent balance of grip and all round trail riding, mixed weather ability, I'd be grateful!
I'm thinking probably High Roller II, but even then don't know what compound does what.
I currently have some Panaracers on my 27.5" full susser which have been pretty decent in the gloop, but annoyingly just won't quite seal properly, so I'm losing around 4 PSI in a fortnight with the bike just sat in the garage.
My 26" hardtail, on the other hand, with a Maxxis High Roller LUST on the front and a Maxxis Ardent LUST (fnarr!) on the rear seated absolutely perfectly first time, and just does not lose pressure at all. It's not so great in the mud though.
Given the above, I thought I'd fit some Maxxis tyres to my full susser, and that's where the confusion starts! Firstly, they seem to have loads of size-specific models, but even when I refine Chain Reaction to 27.5" only, I'm still bamboozled! There's 3C MaxxGrip, EXO, Maxxpro 62, TR, DH, etc, etc...
What on earth does it all mean???
Most of my riding is Surrey Hills, Swinley and the like, plus I'm off to Bike Park Wales in May, but doubt I'll go beyond the blues there. Tyres leave the ground occasionally, but never by more than a few inches! I'll definitely want to run them tubeless, and there's 17 stone of me squashing them!
If anyone can suggest which tyres I want - almost certainly Maxxis, but would possibly consider others - which will give me a recent balance of grip and all round trail riding, mixed weather ability, I'd be grateful!
I'm thinking probably High Roller II, but even then don't know what compound does what.In short is mostly sales guff but generally refers to the compound, tacky for downhill, faster rolling for xc etc etc.
As I said on yellowjacks thread, I used an igniter 62c for the front which I'd recommend, the tread pattern seemed to work on most surfaces but for the fast draining fine gravel popular with tail centre builders it was ace. You really do notice the softer compound when cornering hard, it's the first time I've felt the outer read actually do something. Can't remember what I had on the back, panaracer fire probably
As I said on yellowjacks thread, I used an igniter 62c for the front which I'd recommend, the tread pattern seemed to work on most surfaces but for the fast draining fine gravel popular with tail centre builders it was ace. You really do notice the softer compound when cornering hard, it's the first time I've felt the outer read actually do something. Can't remember what I had on the back, panaracer fire probably
pablo said:
In short is mostly sales guff but generally refers to the compound, tacky for downhill, faster rolling for xc etc etc.
As I said on yellowjacks thread, I used an igniter 62c for the front which I'd recommend, the tread pattern seemed to work on most surfaces but for the fast draining fine gravel popular with tail centre builders it was ace. You really do notice the softer compound when cornering hard, it's the first time I've felt the outer read actually do something. Can't remember what I had on the back, panaracer fire probably
They don't seem to exist in 27.5" anywhere other than on the Maxxis website, and you can't buy them there. As I said on yellowjacks thread, I used an igniter 62c for the front which I'd recommend, the tread pattern seemed to work on most surfaces but for the fast draining fine gravel popular with tail centre builders it was ace. You really do notice the softer compound when cornering hard, it's the first time I've felt the outer read actually do something. Can't remember what I had on the back, panaracer fire probably
ETA - Found some on Amazon... £89 - £147 per tyre!
Edited by Kermit power on Monday 7th March 20:55
High roller II TR is a good all round not too expensive tyre. Others to consider Schwalbe Nobby Nik rear, magic Mary front. I tried Ignitors but rubbish in mud so I sold them on,not a lot of space between nobbles so easily clogged with mud.
If you want all out grip Maxxis Minions; about as grippy as it gets.
http://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-468-minion-dhf
p.s.
LUST = Light weight Universal Standard Tubeless
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/To-The-Point-UST-Rims...
TR = Tubeless ready
More details here, also explains EXO etc
http://www.maxxis.com/other-bicycle-information/te...
http://www.maxxis.com/tires/bicycle/mountain
This last link has a brief description under each tyre saying what they are aimed at doing.
If you want all out grip Maxxis Minions; about as grippy as it gets.
http://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-468-minion-dhf
p.s.
LUST = Light weight Universal Standard Tubeless
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/To-The-Point-UST-Rims...
TR = Tubeless ready
More details here, also explains EXO etc
http://www.maxxis.com/other-bicycle-information/te...
http://www.maxxis.com/tires/bicycle/mountain
This last link has a brief description under each tyre saying what they are aimed at doing.
Edited by Herman Toothrot on Monday 7th March 21:51
Cheers for that.
I take it the Minion is fairly draggy, to deliver that grip though, on the grounds of "no such thing as free grip"?
Also, any idea on the actual difference between TR and LUST? Is it the difference between Tubeless and Tubeless Ready which makes the difference between losing pressure and not?
I take it the Minion is fairly draggy, to deliver that grip though, on the grounds of "no such thing as free grip"?
Also, any idea on the actual difference between TR and LUST? Is it the difference between Tubeless and Tubeless Ready which makes the difference between losing pressure and not?
Ah sorry, I didn't check stocks before recommending them assuming they would be widely available...
Maxxis website has definitions and garble, LUST stands for lightweight ultimate sidewall technology which is very confusing because the rest of the industry refer to UST in terms of tubeless standard as previously mentioned
ttp://www.maxxis.com/other-bicycle-information/technology/maxxis-technology
Maxxis website has definitions and garble, LUST stands for lightweight ultimate sidewall technology which is very confusing because the rest of the industry refer to UST in terms of tubeless standard as previously mentioned
ttp://www.maxxis.com/other-bicycle-information/technology/maxxis-technology
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 7th March 22:41
TR is tubeless but in the Stans / any rim Taped up and sealant used way. UST is the original proper tubeless, the bead is square and UST rims have the corresponding shape, UST rims typically don't need taping and the system is designed to manage without sealant.
The pink bike UST link explains all :-)
The pink bike UST link explains all :-)
Edited by Herman Toothrot on Monday 7th March 22:42
Have you considered another brand? I have Maxxis Ikon on my 29er which are nice and light but on my full suss I have Bontrager XR4 Team Issue with a 2.35 on the front and a 2.2 on the rear. I run these tubless with Stans and have no issues whatsoever. They are a superb do it all tyre.
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The Panaracers possibly just have slightly more porous sidewalls but if you like them just keep adding sealant until they stop going down. My old non-tubeless Conti Rubber Queens were like that but they eventually sealed after I kept adding sealant every few rides. having said that my TR Maxxis Minions, Ardents and High Rollers all sealed with minimal effort.
richardxjr said:
KP, Maxxis make tyres for OnOne. In 650b you've got tubeless ready Chunky Monkey 2.4 front and Smorgasbord 2.2 rear. Me and most my mates use them for trail riding, both 26 and 29. Awesome, easy tubeless & cheap.
Just ordered a set of these, coupled with 3 inner tubes for my commuter - at the princely sum of £1.79 each - to take me over the £50 for free shipping.Now I'm wondering who on earth runs 700x18 tyres? I've never heard of anything less than 23 on a 700c, but loads of inner tubes are 18-23mm.
Kermit power said:
Cheers for that.
I take it the Minion is fairly draggy, to deliver that grip though, on the grounds of "no such thing as free grip"?
Also, any idea on the actual difference between TR and LUST? Is it the difference between Tubeless and Tubeless Ready which makes the difference between losing pressure and not?
The only Maxxis Tyres that promise "free grip" are High Roller and to a lessor extent High Roller 2 - the middle of the tread is ramped so it rolls well forward, but when you're braking the edges of the ramps grip - that's really what separates them from their DH cousins the Minions. Anyway, that was 5 years ago, they've evolved and evolved so they're not DH specific anymore and the HR2 aren't as aggressively ramped.I take it the Minion is fairly draggy, to deliver that grip though, on the grounds of "no such thing as free grip"?
Also, any idea on the actual difference between TR and LUST? Is it the difference between Tubeless and Tubeless Ready which makes the difference between losing pressure and not?
What they're not good at is climbing in slop, because they spin quiet easily and you need to be a bit braver with them as the grip increases very noticeably when you get them over onto the side.
LUST I believe is old terminology which they dropped in theory LUST allowed you to run tubeless without sealant if you had LUST tyres and tubeless spec rims, but in reality they were an utter b
h to fit and just didn't seal well enough - hence now "tubeless ready". Assuming its reasonably 'slop free' then High Rollers on the front, and Maxxis Advantage on the rear works pretty well...
If its super sloppy stick a high roller on the back as well, though through slop, it can be as much to do with your riding style as right choice of tyres...apparently...
If its super sloppy stick a high roller on the back as well, though through slop, it can be as much to do with your riding style as right choice of tyres...apparently...
richardxjr said:
KP, Maxxis make tyres for OnOne. In 650b you've got tubeless ready Chunky Monkey 2.4 front and Smorgasbord 2.2 rear. Me and most my mates use them for trail riding, both 26 and 29. Awesome, easy tubeless & cheap.
I fitted them this evening. Even easier to fit than the Maxxis on my 26", and both inflated perfectly happily to 40 PSI with no sealant in at all, although I did then take the valve cores out to add some in. Friday afternoon will be their first outing, but the rubber definitely feels much softer than the Panaracers, so fingers crossed for plenty of grip!
richardxjr said:
run em 20 something psi if tubeless.I used to run tubeless at 32 PSI or so (which I thought wasn't unreasonable, given that there's the best part of 18 stone of me!), until I bought a digital pressure meter, and discovered that I was actually running at 24, and the pressure gauge on my track pump is a heap of junk!
First outing today, and wow! 
These tyres are absolutely stunning!
We spent a couple of hours on the trails in Holmbury & Pitch Hills in Surrey, and they were just faultless everywhere! Mud, roots, dry & sandy, even probably the only bit of rock in the Surrey Hills... absolutely everything was swallowed without worries, and I was taking fairly large chunks out of Strava PRs all over the place despite the mud!
I really can't imagine buying any other tyre combination ever again, they were that good!
These tyres are absolutely stunning!
We spent a couple of hours on the trails in Holmbury & Pitch Hills in Surrey, and they were just faultless everywhere! Mud, roots, dry & sandy, even probably the only bit of rock in the Surrey Hills... absolutely everything was swallowed without worries, and I was taking fairly large chunks out of Strava PRs all over the place despite the mud!
I really can't imagine buying any other tyre combination ever again, they were that good!
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