Canyon Commuter 7.0 or Schindelhauer Ludwig 8
Discussion
As per the title really! both basically the same price with lights and fenders (Circa £1600). Any thoughts? Any alternatives?
https://www.canyon.com/en-nl/urban/commuter/
http://stilrad.com/de/schindelhauer-ludwig-8-11.ht...
https://www.canyon.com/en-nl/urban/commuter/
http://stilrad.com/de/schindelhauer-ludwig-8-11.ht...
Well, it depends what you're after.
There's a Dutch bike that has integrated lights, if you haven't seen it. I'll link it later on.
But my main alternative would be to spend approx. £400 on a commuting bike that will do pretty much exactly the same job, and do something different with the £1200 I had saved.
It seems daft to me to spend boutique money on what is essentially a 'utility' item. Plus, assuming you're not exclusively riding to & from work, you're going to have to lock it up somewhere, sometime, and I wouldn't want to trust that amount of money to a D-lock.
What is it exactly that you find so alluring about those two? Are you desperate for belt drive, or Honjo fenders, or something? Serious question BTW.
There's a Dutch bike that has integrated lights, if you haven't seen it. I'll link it later on.
But my main alternative would be to spend approx. £400 on a commuting bike that will do pretty much exactly the same job, and do something different with the £1200 I had saved.
It seems daft to me to spend boutique money on what is essentially a 'utility' item. Plus, assuming you're not exclusively riding to & from work, you're going to have to lock it up somewhere, sometime, and I wouldn't want to trust that amount of money to a D-lock.
What is it exactly that you find so alluring about those two? Are you desperate for belt drive, or Honjo fenders, or something? Serious question BTW.
The following assumes you will actually commute your Canyon Commuter - which Ive always thought looked really nice 
My new commuter is in the same price bracket, its also my new winter road bike too, and I work on 2 different sites
Site 1 has secure access and I leave a Kryptonite chain and lock there permanently as its too heavy to carry
This site also has numerous more expensive bikes around locked with stupid cheapy locks of varying poor standard - my colleagues are either idiots or else happy with the level of security
Im fairly happy leaving it here
Site 2 is a lot more scummy and a lot less secure
I leave an Oxford d-lock here which is by no means a rubbish lock
When working at this location I take a 15y old shagged out MTB
Cheers
My new commuter is in the same price bracket, its also my new winter road bike too, and I work on 2 different sites
Site 1 has secure access and I leave a Kryptonite chain and lock there permanently as its too heavy to carry
This site also has numerous more expensive bikes around locked with stupid cheapy locks of varying poor standard - my colleagues are either idiots or else happy with the level of security
Im fairly happy leaving it here
Site 2 is a lot more scummy and a lot less secure
I leave an Oxford d-lock here which is by no means a rubbish lock
When working at this location I take a 15y old shagged out MTB
Cheers
Barchettaman said:
Well, it depends what you're after.
There's a Dutch bike that has integrated lights, if you haven't seen it. I'll link it later on.
But my main alternative would be to spend approx. £400 on a commuting bike that will do pretty much exactly the same job, and do something different with the £1200 I had saved.
It seems daft to me to spend boutique money on what is essentially a 'utility' item. Plus, assuming you're not exclusively riding to & from work, you're going to have to lock it up somewhere, sometime, and I wouldn't want to trust that amount of money to a D-lock.
What is it exactly that you find so alluring about those two? Are you desperate for belt drive, or Honjo fenders, or something? Serious question BTW.
I really like the idea and simplicity of a belt drive and hub gear... but I won't find that for £400 sadly. You do make a good point though as it is a hell of a lot of money for a utility bike! (Price/spec creep has already meant I'm almost double my original budget!!) There's a Dutch bike that has integrated lights, if you haven't seen it. I'll link it later on.
But my main alternative would be to spend approx. £400 on a commuting bike that will do pretty much exactly the same job, and do something different with the £1200 I had saved.
It seems daft to me to spend boutique money on what is essentially a 'utility' item. Plus, assuming you're not exclusively riding to & from work, you're going to have to lock it up somewhere, sometime, and I wouldn't want to trust that amount of money to a D-lock.
What is it exactly that you find so alluring about those two? Are you desperate for belt drive, or Honjo fenders, or something? Serious question BTW.
All nice bikes, tbh just pick the one you like
....But they look too much like works of art to me and trying to reinvent the wheel. Having commuted on everything over the years, hybrids, steel/alu/carbon road bikes, MTBs, fixies etc... I would just get :
Cheap solid alu/steel frame, tiagra/105 gears, mudguard/rack points and low key finish and ability to fit 28/32c tyres.
I would also check that it fits well and sized correctly from a local shop
The trouble with belt drives and novel features and mail order is that they are great in theory, but getting parts/warranty issues and setting up are more a PITA. For example my commuter was bought from a local shop and uses tiagra. I can drop it off and they have 100s of each component in stock and replace everything if needed in a couple of hours, it means no issues, no stresses and can be back on the road ASAP. I doubt the same could be said of a belt driven Canyon bike. Also Tiagra/105 is dirt cheap for the quality if offers. Ironically my tiagra bike has needed no maintenance at all over 2500 miles bar cleaning, the cables are propper knakered, the chain worn, but it keeps working!! Unlike my fixie/single speed which needed constant fettling and adjustment
Also if you stop at any shops/mates houses/pubs on way home its a pita with a nice bike, as no matter how good the locks are scroates will break them, nothing worse than having to skip the pub as I am on my nice carbon bike and I dont fancy locking it on the street.
I also got a nice commuter/winter road bike and soon realised it was too "nice" to commute down nasty lanes through winter so bought a £100 hybrid off ebay!
....But they look too much like works of art to me and trying to reinvent the wheel. Having commuted on everything over the years, hybrids, steel/alu/carbon road bikes, MTBs, fixies etc... I would just get :
Cheap solid alu/steel frame, tiagra/105 gears, mudguard/rack points and low key finish and ability to fit 28/32c tyres.
I would also check that it fits well and sized correctly from a local shop
The trouble with belt drives and novel features and mail order is that they are great in theory, but getting parts/warranty issues and setting up are more a PITA. For example my commuter was bought from a local shop and uses tiagra. I can drop it off and they have 100s of each component in stock and replace everything if needed in a couple of hours, it means no issues, no stresses and can be back on the road ASAP. I doubt the same could be said of a belt driven Canyon bike. Also Tiagra/105 is dirt cheap for the quality if offers. Ironically my tiagra bike has needed no maintenance at all over 2500 miles bar cleaning, the cables are propper knakered, the chain worn, but it keeps working!! Unlike my fixie/single speed which needed constant fettling and adjustment
Also if you stop at any shops/mates houses/pubs on way home its a pita with a nice bike, as no matter how good the locks are scroates will break them, nothing worse than having to skip the pub as I am on my nice carbon bike and I dont fancy locking it on the street.
I also got a nice commuter/winter road bike and soon realised it was too "nice" to commute down nasty lanes through winter so bought a £100 hybrid off ebay!
TwistingMyMelon said:
All nice bikes, tbh just pick the one you like
....But they look too much like works of art to me and trying to reinvent the wheel. Having commuted on everything over the years, hybrids, steel/alu/carbon road bikes, MTBs, fixies etc... I would just get :
Cheap solid alu/steel frame, tiagra/105 gears, mudguard/rack points and low key finish and ability to fit 28/32c tyres?
I also got a nice commuter/winter road bike and soon realised it was too "nice" to commute down nasty lanes through winter so bought a £100 hybrid off ebay!
Snap! Here's mine, it's a lovely old thing. I found the frame in a hedge & Hammerited it over a weekend.....But they look too much like works of art to me and trying to reinvent the wheel. Having commuted on everything over the years, hybrids, steel/alu/carbon road bikes, MTBs, fixies etc... I would just get :
Cheap solid alu/steel frame, tiagra/105 gears, mudguard/rack points and low key finish and ability to fit 28/32c tyres?
I also got a nice commuter/winter road bike and soon realised it was too "nice" to commute down nasty lanes through winter so bought a £100 hybrid off ebay!
It rides really nicely and I've put many thousands of KMs on it.
Note: on the photo it's running a spare front wheel from another bike as I was 'between' dynamo front wheels at the time! The old one had delaminated completely as the brake track wore though...
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