Free bike, if you commit to ride it?
Free bike, if you commit to ride it?
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13aines

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2,207 posts

175 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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I saw the Free2Cycle scheme advertised in CyclingWeekly this week and looked it up online.

It appears that depending on how much you commit to cycle you can get varying amounts of money towards a bike, or a bike for nothing if you chose a bike below your figure. The only catch seems to be that you actually have to use it or you have to pay for it, having signed an agreement. How they monitor the usage I am not sure...

Has anyone heard anything more about this? Seems that it could be a good idea if you have commmuted for example, 6 miles each way 5 days a week for several years and know you can continue it, so will easily hit your target, so should get a £1080 bike for nothing.

I have no connection with Free2Cycle, just keen to hear opinions.

https://www.free2cycle.systems

I don’t commute, but it’s tempting to get a £1080 bike for free by committing to cycle 60 miles a week - would certainly motivate me to get out more!

Matt

Bobley

730 posts

175 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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"How free2cycle differs from existing cycle schemes?
Unlike traditional cycle schemes there are no upfront costs. Sponsors are billed based upon the mileage achieved by the Cyclist. For the first three months the Sponsor’s contribution matches the cyclist’s pledge. Thereafter, you only pay for the mileage achieved.
For Cyclists: free2cycle is available to all, regardless of income and no salary sacrifice is required.
For Sponsors: there are no upfront costs, no balance sheet impacts, no salary sacrifice or payroll impact;
The free2cycle App tracks and records the Cyclist’s mileage achieved.
Sponsors contribute 20p plus VAT per mile. As long as the cyclist meets their mileage commitment there will be no charge to them however if the cyclist doesn't fulfil their mileage commitment, then they're responsible for the shortfall.
For a £360 bike the Sponsor will pay £12 plus VAT per month which is typically rewarded with a positive cost benefit ratio of around 10:1.
free2cycle tracks your Cyclists’ progress and supplies Sponsors with a carbon savings report; delivering clear reporting of CO2 reduction and substituted commute mileage and quantifying the positive impact your organisation is having on the environment"

They get manufacturers to sponsor your bike!? WTAF? Nobidy would ever see me on my commute as I'm always nipping down farm tracks and canal towpaths?

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

202 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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It's dependent on journey tracking via smartphone app and you don't necessarily have to commute to be eligible.

13aines

Original Poster:

2,207 posts

175 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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I suspected it might be. I’d forget to use the app!

No word of manufacturers... I think your employer is your sponsor?

My work isn’t signed up, and being such a small business I doubt there would be any budget for it, but I think it’s a great idea if you work for a larger more modern thinking company that is signed up, or would sign up.

Darkslider

3,084 posts

215 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Your employer pays 20p a mile for you, so it's not free at all. If anyone manages to convince their boss to sign up and pay for a new bike for them please let me know how you managed it!

13aines

Original Poster:

2,207 posts

175 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Well, it’s free in the sense that it potentially won’t cost you anything.

Agreed, I think it would be difficult to convince an employer unless the company is very modern, e.g. it’s offices like Google and Facebook... I’m sure there’s lots like it though.

Dynamic Space Wizard

960 posts

130 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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How can the bikes be worth so many hundreds of pounds? If you had a bike worth that much round here, dids would nick it within days.

meehaja

607 posts

134 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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The same way you can buy a car for £9k or £900k...

I guess if the companies investment could be tax free or bought the company some
Financial benefit? Like the free lightbulbs from energy companies to offset co2 a few years back?

rustyuk

4,714 posts

237 months

Saturday 3rd March 2018
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Wonder if there is any BIK

assadahmed

467 posts

216 months

Monday 5th March 2018
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This could work for me as I am a director in a limited company but also on PAYE for me personal allowance.

'My company' will just pay the monthly payments

Assad

StanleyT

1,994 posts

105 months

Monday 5th March 2018
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Could you put the bike in the boot of your car and run the Apps, whilst your own Ltd Co picks up the bill for just the right milage re expenses / payment / BIK etc.

Cross town commuting so no silly motorway speeds to give away he bike isn't actually being "ridden"?

hyphen

26,262 posts

116 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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StanleyT said:
Could you put the bike in the boot of your car and run the Apps, whilst your own Ltd Co picks up the bill for just the right milage re expenses / payment / BIK etc.

Cross town commuting so no silly motorway speeds to give away he bike isn't actually being "ridden"?
Most cyclists don't hit 30mph, so you would need to crawl along in your car...

BenGismo

299 posts

194 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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No to mention you just need the PHONE that is running the app in your car......not the whole bike lol

laugh

No different to what some strava heros / KOM chasing Losers do round here. (53mph... on your bike...uphill...into the wind....yeah ok)

louiebaby

10,888 posts

217 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Seems my company isn't signed up to give me a free bike. Which is a surprise.

Worth considering if my own company takes off though!

hyphen

26,262 posts

116 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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BenGismo said:
No different to what some strava heros / KOM chasing Losers do round here. (53mph... on your bike...uphill...into the wind....yeah ok)
Strava/Garmin both don't recognise that speed has upped to car speeds and ask if you want to stop.

Occasionally I forget to press stop after a run/ride and only realise on the way home which messes the numbers up.

Seems a easy thing to implement too.

louiebaby

10,888 posts

217 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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I would have thought that linking to a Strava / Endomondo / Garmin / whichever other GPS tools are out there would be a lot more cost effective for this company, which, let's face t, is designed as a way for people running their own company to get a tax free bike.

Can the uplift be paid for with Cycle Scheme vouchers too??? wink

hyphen

26,262 posts

116 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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When the employee gets killed on the road, does the employer still have to pay? smile

Also do you provide road lessons to those who are new to cycling, or just let them get on with it...

warp9

1,632 posts

223 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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How long is the agreement for?
Does the bike become the property of the individual after that?
What happens if the person leaves the business during the agreement?
Thanks

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

202 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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13aines said:
I suspected it might be. I’d forget to use the app!
Not sure if you take your phone with you when you cycle, but if you do, there's an app called IFTTT (If This Then That) which can automagically launch an app when, for instance, leaving your home wifi.

However, not sure if it can start the free2cycle app after launch. You could possibly set a reminder in your calendar every day at the same time so your phone would launch a notification reminding you to ride and take your phone.

J886ATV

148 posts

116 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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warp9 said:
How long is the agreement for?
Does the bike become the property of the individual after that?
What happens if the person leaves the business during the agreement?
Thanks
Some in the post above - some on the website. But ouch....
Representative example:

9.9% finance over 48 months
Total order value = £700
Total amount of credit = £700
Duration = 48 months
Representative APR = 9.9%
Interest charged = £150.57
48 monthly payments of = £17.72
Total amount payable = £850.57