Police stop on Moorgate
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Well they seemed a bit over-eager when I went past, stopping someone who was right at the front of the traffic, although was in the crossing part, and went hard off on amber. I didn't think he jumped the lights, but maybe they were just going to give him a warning.
Never a good idea to jump the lights in the City. Too many bobbies with nothing else to do
Never a good idea to jump the lights in the City. Too many bobbies with nothing else to do
JRM said:
Too many bobbies with nothing else to do
FFS Guys, no wonder car drivers and pedaestrians hate us if you think its a bright idea to flaunt the road rules: Theres a reason why we have amber and red - we stop on amber, if you remember your highway code correctly.Just because a cyclist can 'go hard' off the lights, doesn't mean someone coming the other way may jump their lights - and clatter you.
Honestly, some of the w
k spouted here is beyond belief - we share the road, and should likewise share the road within the rules - to not is to play with your life in your hands.
neil_bolton said:
Honestly, some of the wk spouted here is beyond belief - we share the road, and should likewise share the road within the rules - to not is to play with your life in your hands.
So why do the police not bother to police the roads sufficiently well to stop lorries turning left onto cyclists, who they have just over-taken? Apparently they can't be blamed as we're in their blind-spot. Well we weren't a minute ago when you overtook me!k spouted here is beyond belief - we share the road, and should likewise share the road within the rules - to not is to play with your life in your hands.You sound like you need some perspective, if you have ever been hit by someone whilst you were minding your own business in a cycle lane, just because the driver couldn't be bothered to remember that they just over-took you or check his left mirror, then maybe you wouldn't be so appauled by a cyclist jumping a red or amber light.
There are far better things to do in order to protect pedestrians and all road users then pull people over for petty issues. I'll happily jump a light if it puts me in a safer position and always will - becuase it DOES keep my life in MY hands thanks very much.
I hope it continues to wind people like you up, because you haven't a clue what is safe and what isn't, you only know what you read in a theory book 20 years ago.
Cracking post JRM. Nice one!
tw*t.JRM said:
So why do the police not bother to police the roads sufficiently well to stop lorries turning left onto cyclists, who they have just over-taken? Apparently they can't be blamed as we're in their blind-spot. Well we weren't a minute ago when you overtook me!
They do..."The Met is to kick off the first day of its 2009 cycling safety programme by teaming up with a host of partners in the largest ever awareness day next Tuesday.
Officers from the Met’s Traffic Unit, supported by TFL and the London Cycling Campaign (LCC), will be working simultaneously across four popular cyclist routes in London during morning rush hours to educate and raise awareness of the dangers and risks of collisions between cyclists and lorry drivers.
This includes the Exchanging Places initiative, where cyclists are invited to sit inside a lorry’s cab to see the limited vision of the driver on the nearside of the vehicle."
Is one example
JRM said:
You sound like you need some perspective, if you have ever been hit by someone whilst you were minding your own business in a cycle lane, just because the driver couldn't be bothered to remember that they just over-took you or check his left mirror, then maybe you wouldn't be so appauled by a cyclist jumping a red or amber light.
There are far better things to do in order to protect pedestrians and all road users then pull people over for petty issues. I'll happily jump a light if it puts me in a safer position and always will - becuase it DOES keep my life in MY hands thanks very much.
I hope it continues to wind people like you up, because you haven't a clue what is safe and what isn't, you only know what you read in a theory book 20 years ago.
This bit is always argued between RJL's and non-RJLs. You're complaining about car drivers getting the basics wrong. Car drivers will see you RLJ and assume all cyclist are law-breaking wThere are far better things to do in order to protect pedestrians and all road users then pull people over for petty issues. I'll happily jump a light if it puts me in a safer position and always will - becuase it DOES keep my life in MY hands thanks very much.
I hope it continues to wind people like you up, because you haven't a clue what is safe and what isn't, you only know what you read in a theory book 20 years ago.
kers.As my name indicates, I'm a petrolhead. I love cars and when i'm not mtb'ing at the weekend I'll be doing trackdays. I've love bikes as well and I know there are others on this board that are the same as me; bikes and cars are great.
However, the one thing that gets picked up most of all by my fellow driving petrolheads are RLJs. You can visibly see their change of mood on their face when this gets brought up.
What happens is that the common RLJ'er is bunched in with the cyclists who nearly wipe out people at Zebra/Pelican crossings. In their mind, they are no different.
I am confident that my driving buddies are good drivers and wouldn't think of retribution via their car, however, if the council asked their opinion on whether more public money should be spent on having a safer environment for cyclists by whatever means; they'd remember that RLJ'er and say feck 'em. They're all law breaking twonks.
Likewise, I see it many times on this forum, people will group all car drivers as twonks.
To me, it's a question of mutual respect and understanding what affect your attitude has on those around you - even the enemy.
I cycled in today, I must have filtered past 50 odd cars, been overtaken by a similar amount. I cannot remember a single one of them. Except the twonk that forced me to brake hard because he misjudged my speed. It was a mistake, it happens, i lived.
When I went for my lunch today, as a pedestrian, I cannot remember a single cyclist that went past me. Except the twonk riding on the pavement.
As I cycle home tonight, I won't remember any of the other cyclist i'll pass (although it would help my FCN number if i did); except the twonk riding with no lights.
If I was driving, he would be the only cyclist i'd remember.
It's easy to know one's rights, but it doesn't mean much if you don't know ones responsibilities that those rights give you.
I do find that on the cycling forums that I use, the majority of communting cyclists don't agree with RLJ'ers. And, again, in my experience, the ones that do RLJ tend not to be day to day commuters.
The above post is nothing more than my thoughts on t'internet and not meant to flame anything.
all the best
david
Honestly, BOR and JPM, you guys need wind your necks in a little.
Ive ridden for many MANY years on the road, and had a couple of accidents in that time.
In none of those accidents could I have not put myself in a more defensive position in order to minimise the risk of being taken out.
However, in learning to ride more defensively, I have not had to take to flaunting the rules in order to stay safe. In fact, it's made me safer because I know that I'm not taking risks with lights etc in order to gain a few feet on a vehicle.
I'm a fit and well equiped cyclist who can sprint away and brake out of issues.
I do not allow myself to be put into a position of which I could get into trouble and I do it all without pissing off other drivers, pedestrians, or whatever.
As for BOR: You can piss off mate, if that's going to be your attitude, I think you'll find if half the DHers appeared on the road, you wouldn't know which way we had gone in terms of fitness or skill.
Like I said, wind your necks in, take another look at your defensive riding skills, and consider why the hell red lights are red.
Jesus wept, I really dispair sometimes.
Ive ridden for many MANY years on the road, and had a couple of accidents in that time.
In none of those accidents could I have not put myself in a more defensive position in order to minimise the risk of being taken out.
However, in learning to ride more defensively, I have not had to take to flaunting the rules in order to stay safe. In fact, it's made me safer because I know that I'm not taking risks with lights etc in order to gain a few feet on a vehicle.
I'm a fit and well equiped cyclist who can sprint away and brake out of issues.
I do not allow myself to be put into a position of which I could get into trouble and I do it all without pissing off other drivers, pedestrians, or whatever.
As for BOR: You can piss off mate, if that's going to be your attitude, I think you'll find if half the DHers appeared on the road, you wouldn't know which way we had gone in terms of fitness or skill.
Like I said, wind your necks in, take another look at your defensive riding skills, and consider why the hell red lights are red.
Jesus wept, I really dispair sometimes.
Oh do get off your high horse. For a start, the thread is not about going off on red, it's about going off on amber, something every car driver including me does. Not you, obviously, that would be breaking the law.
There is absolutely no way that I will sit there and wait for green if it increases the risk of me getting hit, and I'll do the same thing without question directly in front of plod. I'd rather pay a fine than get hit.
I don't believe you ride on the road at all.
There is absolutely no way that I will sit there and wait for green if it increases the risk of me getting hit, and I'll do the same thing without question directly in front of plod. I'd rather pay a fine than get hit.
I don't believe you ride on the road at all.
BOR said:
Oh do get off your high horse. For a start, the thread is not about going off on red, it's about going off on amber, something every car driver including me does. Not you, obviously, that would be breaking the law.
There is absolutely no way that I will sit there and wait for green if it increases the risk of me getting hit, and I'll do the same thing without question directly in front of plod. I'd rather pay a fine than get hit.
I don't believe you ride on the road at all.
By your theory though, going off on amber on a bike gives you no advantage because, again, your theory, all car drivers also go on amber...There is absolutely no way that I will sit there and wait for green if it increases the risk of me getting hit, and I'll do the same thing without question directly in front of plod. I'd rather pay a fine than get hit.
I don't believe you ride on the road at all.
BOR said:
If I don't go off hard on amber, there's a good chance of the car or truck just behind me smashing my back doors in.
well hey, guess what, if you dont push to the front then wobble about in front of the traffic whilst trying to avoid putting your feet down then you wont have this problem.I have driven or ridden a motorbike into the city or west end every day for the past 10 years and cyclists are by far the worst offenders when it comes to almost causing accidents and breaking the rules, yet are the first to start jumping about screaming for justice when they get knocked off. I realise I'm in for a flaming saying this in this forum but I see this on a daily basis. i have tried to be unbiased in the past but have given up now.
BOR said:
Oh do get off your high horse. For a start, the thread is not about going off on red, it's about going off on amber, something every car driver including me does. Not you, obviously, that would be breaking the law.
There is absolutely no way that I will sit there and wait for green if it increases the risk of me getting hit, and I'll do the same thing without question directly in front of plod. I'd rather pay a fine than get hit.
I don't believe you ride on the road at all.
Really? Honestly, we really are in a bit of a huff today, aren't we dear?There is absolutely no way that I will sit there and wait for green if it increases the risk of me getting hit, and I'll do the same thing without question directly in front of plod. I'd rather pay a fine than get hit.
I don't believe you ride on the road at all.
1st off, I go on Green like most normal people do, you know, like the UK Highway Code and laws tell us to: Red and Amber = "Stop, do not pass through or start until Green shows".
I don't flout it because, like the one day I did go for it off amber, I nearly got the front of my BMW ripped off by someone running the red lights in their car . I'd rather not attempt that on a bike thanks.
Secondly, how the hell are you ever likely to know whether I ride on the road or not?
I suggest you stop being such a spanner and quit before those who do know me pop their heads in and suggest you stop being so shortsighted.
CraigW said:
I have driven or ridden a motorbike into the city or west end every day for the past 10 years and cyclists are by far the worst offenders when it comes to almost causing accidents and breaking the rules, yet are the first to start jumping about screaming for justice when they get knocked off. I realise I'm in for a flaming saying this in this forum but I see this on a daily basis. i have tried to be unbiased in the past but have given up now.
Q1.Do you start to accelerate on your bike on amber or green ?Q2.How often have you seen a car or motorbike go through as the lights change to red ? Never ? Once or twice ? Regularly ?
BOR said:
CraigW said:
I have driven or ridden a motorbike into the city or west end every day for the past 10 years and cyclists are by far the worst offenders when it comes to almost causing accidents and breaking the rules, yet are the first to start jumping about screaming for justice when they get knocked off. I realise I'm in for a flaming saying this in this forum but I see this on a daily basis. i have tried to be unbiased in the past but have given up now.
Q1.Do you start to accelerate on your bike on amber or green ?Q2.How often have you seen a car or motorbike go through as the lights change to red ? Never ? Once or twice ? Regularly ?
2. thats irrelevant but if you want an answer then probably one car or motorbike to every 20 pushbikes I see go sailing through.
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