A rose by any other name ....
Discussion
Jon C said:
I am surprised that the EDRS announcement hasn't sparked more debate on the fora, to be honest. The potential implications for the sport in Europe are enormous. I look forward to the details being announced soon.
Hopefully more Comp Elim and less 'Dial your own'
Super Pro at Tierp gives us a class we can actually run in though Hopefully more Comp Elim and less 'Dial your own'
MotorPsycho said:
Super Pro at Tierp gives us a class we can actually run in though
I wouldn't bank on it, I'm not sure what times you are running but at the moment they haven't decided on the lower limit for Super Pro ET. They are considering 7.5 so all the tracks can run the class, but they also want large class numbers which would mean leaving it at 6.0 - lots for them to think about and hopefully they will have everything decided before the meeting on 11 February.Miss Information said:
I wouldn't bank on it, I'm not sure what times you are running but at the moment they haven't decided on the lower limit for Super Pro ET. They are considering 7.5 so all the tracks can run the class, but they also want large class numbers which would mean leaving it at 6.0 - lots for them to think about and hopefully they will have everything decided before the meeting on 11 February.
I believe the idea was to have a class that was the same all over europe and as the Germans, Dutch etc all follow UK rules I would be surprised if it didn't go the same way too.It's not like the NDRS aren't opposed to change as they have already changed Super Comp Bike from 8.80 to 8.50 to match UK rules for '12.
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wicked fish said:
whats the difference between that and the MSA pro mod series???
mainly that the MSA is clearly a national series, or at least i thought it was, whereas the newly titled "European" isnt, it could lay claim to being the premier series and is, at least, could seem confusing (to some?)its the all encompasing use of the word "European" thats is the worry, with the world the way it is
i dont know but others will....
Edited by Upatdawn on Wednesday 14th December 21:00
Upatdawn said:
wicked fish said:
whats the difference between that and the MSA pro mod series???
mainly that the MSA is clearly a national series, or at least i thought it was, whereas the newly titled "European" isnt, it could lay claim to being the premier series and is, at least, could seem confusing (to some?)its the all encompasing use of the word "European" thats is the worry, with the world the way it is
i dont know but others will....
Edited by Upatdawn on Wednesday 14th December 21:00
all thats happend is they made a small change to the names and will probably adopt some class rules from the rest of europe to get decent fields,
I dont think European in the title denotes an elevation of its status above other series.
FIA speaks for itself
MSA well every race car driver in the uk has a licence from the MSA and in the UK MSA is everything,
the ndrs pro mod series has always been there.... nothings changed.....
well im afraid to say that that is a very real danger, it wont be a brelk away series as the ndrs has always had a pro mod championship but there WILL be an awfull lot of scandanavian pro mod teams staying at home for their domestic series, i dont think it will affect other classes as much.. but pro mod is so powerfull as an attraction because of the cars and shere numbers and most of the top teams are scandanavian
i keep saying it but there was 5 swedish teams here at the euro finals, and i know of 2 teams who were there who will not be in the uk this year... one a two car team so work it out
i keep saying it but there was 5 swedish teams here at the euro finals, and i know of 2 teams who were there who will not be in the uk this year... one a two car team so work it out
If the NDRS pro mod series does become more popular than the FIA tour it will have gone full circle.
Remember before there was and FIA Pro Mod class the NDRS Pro Mod series pushed to have the class adopted by the FIA and also competed at the Pod. Could turn out now that it will just revert back to what it used to be.
Remember before there was and FIA Pro Mod class the NDRS Pro Mod series pushed to have the class adopted by the FIA and also competed at the Pod. Could turn out now that it will just revert back to what it used to be.
the problem now is that like it or not every facility will be judged against tierp,
and with tierp in their own back yard why would they spend big money to travel to not so good facilitys
Remember when the NDRS pushed for FIA acceptance and to run at santa pod, Santa pod was without doubt the best track in Europe,
Everyone and i mean everyone hates Finland, I never heard one good word said about the place,
santa pod had its track issues this year and Hockenheim was a joke a very dangerouus joke... sorry but thats the truth like it or not........
Would you travel if you were a Swede???
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and with tierp in their own back yard why would they spend big money to travel to not so good facilitys
Remember when the NDRS pushed for FIA acceptance and to run at santa pod, Santa pod was without doubt the best track in Europe,
Everyone and i mean everyone hates Finland, I never heard one good word said about the place,
santa pod had its track issues this year and Hockenheim was a joke a very dangerouus joke... sorry but thats the truth like it or not........
Would you travel if you were a Swede???
]
Edited by wicked fish on Friday 16th December 17:07
wicked fish said:
the problem now is that like it or not every facility will be judged against tierp,
and with tierp in their own back yard why would they spend big money to travel to not so good facilitys
Remember when the NDRS pushed for FIA acceptance and to run at santa pod, Santa pod was without doubt the best track in Europe,
Everyone and i mean everyone hates Finland, I never heard one good word said about the place,
santa pod had its track issues this year and Hockenheim was a joke a very dangerouus joke... sorry but thats the truth like it or not........
Would you travel if you were a Swede???
]
The only people that can justify travelling are those that have a realistic chance of winning an FIA championship. This is why domination in any class is detrimental to that class.and with tierp in their own back yard why would they spend big money to travel to not so good facilitys
Remember when the NDRS pushed for FIA acceptance and to run at santa pod, Santa pod was without doubt the best track in Europe,
Everyone and i mean everyone hates Finland, I never heard one good word said about the place,
santa pod had its track issues this year and Hockenheim was a joke a very dangerouus joke... sorry but thats the truth like it or not........
Would you travel if you were a Swede???
]
Edited by wicked fish on Friday 16th December 17:07
urban is an ex champ and has recently been on the pace to win any event
lindbergs have the pace and are ex champs and are a good bet for a repeat sometime,
Urban is definatly not doing the tour, and i hear lindbergs are not sure... Lindahls are definats to not do the tour, Adam seems to be foocusing on the US racing Per Svedberg seems to have gone back to his TD racing id bet that Mats and Micke G are gonna be prety lonely at santa pod
lindbergs have the pace and are ex champs and are a good bet for a repeat sometime,
Urban is definatly not doing the tour, and i hear lindbergs are not sure... Lindahls are definats to not do the tour, Adam seems to be foocusing on the US racing Per Svedberg seems to have gone back to his TD racing id bet that Mats and Micke G are gonna be prety lonely at santa pod
wicked fish said:
the problem now is that like it or not every facility will be judged against tierp,
and with tierp in their own back yard why would they spend big money to travel to not so good facilitys
Remember when the NDRS pushed for FIA acceptance and to run at santa pod, Santa pod was without doubt the best track in Europe,
Everyone and i mean everyone hates Finland, I never heard one good word said about the place,
santa pod had its track issues this year and Hockenheim was a joke a very dangerouus joke... sorry but thats the truth like it or not........
Would you travel if you were a Swede???
]
The Trophy Hunters will be doing the full tour.and with tierp in their own back yard why would they spend big money to travel to not so good facilitys
Remember when the NDRS pushed for FIA acceptance and to run at santa pod, Santa pod was without doubt the best track in Europe,
Everyone and i mean everyone hates Finland, I never heard one good word said about the place,
santa pod had its track issues this year and Hockenheim was a joke a very dangerouus joke... sorry but thats the truth like it or not........
Would you travel if you were a Swede???
]
Edited by wicked fish on Friday 16th December 17:07
Upatdawn said:
as far as access, facilities and suchlike, whats the order of things in Europe?
Tierp 1st and the rest straggling?
facilitys is difficult cause both alastaro and mantorp have real power outlets (no gennys)Tierp 1st and the rest straggling?
alastaro has almost nowhere to eat ( 1 overpriced restaurant)and is mines from anywhere
santa pod although on gennys probably at least has places to eat and can arrange private portaloos rather that the shark infested affairs iv seen other places tierp has good level pits (something which is a problem at santa pod when it rains) nice toilets and showers for the teams power and water but apart from the small town of tierp there is nothing near (at the euros lindbergs needed a bearing for their blower they managed to get some in a bearing shop in rushden)
hockenheim has decent pitts and you can eat if you like sausage and the track apart from tierp is the most level and undamaged racing surface in europe, the problem is they like to ruin it for the racers for the sake of the night show, Its a show is everything and racing is secodary mentality, this year pouring diesel on the track so the jet car could set light to it and melt the track was a class act... left a 1 lane racetrack the next day....
if the track at santa pod is fixed up then it is without doubt the second best facility in europe and alastaro is the one most racers would like to drop given the choice
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