Standard spec race series, a desirable thing?
Discussion
I've just read an article in this months Motorsport magazine about a European version of
NASCAR called Euro Racecar series www.racecarseries.com
It got me thinking about the Pro Comp discussion and the desire to have a heads up class of racing.
Could European drag racing not have a class which has a standard spec of car which was entertaining and heads up so it showcased driver talent.
I know the obvious thing is it doesn't address what people do with existing cars but they could simply sell em and buy a spec car.
Although these cars could be stardard there should be an amount of setup change allowable to let crews learn that side of things.
Anyone else think this has legs?
NASCAR called Euro Racecar series www.racecarseries.com
It got me thinking about the Pro Comp discussion and the desire to have a heads up class of racing.
Could European drag racing not have a class which has a standard spec of car which was entertaining and heads up so it showcased driver talent.
I know the obvious thing is it doesn't address what people do with existing cars but they could simply sell em and buy a spec car.
Although these cars could be stardard there should be an amount of setup change allowable to let crews learn that side of things.
Anyone else think this has legs?
Edited by Bayracing on Friday 24th February 21:37
To stop the rich guys getting an edge how about one of the following options
1. Cars are built and maintained by one company so that they can't be worked on other than at the track and can be checked for changes after each race.
2. Open source tech development. If you change something on the car you have to publish what you did and why on the web so everyone can see it and use it if they want
There are downsides to both but the second one allows open technology development but gets away from the standard car
1. Cars are built and maintained by one company so that they can't be worked on other than at the track and can be checked for changes after each race.
2. Open source tech development. If you change something on the car you have to publish what you did and why on the web so everyone can see it and use it if they want
There are downsides to both but the second one allows open technology development but gets away from the standard car
1. Cars are built and maintained by one company so that they can't be worked on other than at the track and can be checked for changes after each race
This will mean the company that wins the right to maintain these cars, will put the price up overnight forcing people out with less money,
This will mean the company that wins the right to maintain these cars, will put the price up overnight forcing people out with less money,
The author of that Motor Sport Magazine article, Ed Foster, came to the European Finals in 2010:
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/drag-racing...
If you haven't seen the short video he made, it's entertaining.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/drag-racing...
If you haven't seen the short video he made, it's entertaining.
Squating Neville said:
1. Cars are built and maintained by one company so that they can't be worked on other than at the track and can be checked for changes after each race
This will mean the company that wins the right to maintain these cars, will put the price up overnight forcing people out with less money,
Not if budgets etc where worked out first surely. I can't imagine someone like John Webster trying to make massive profits from something like this and it would need someone like him to make it workThis will mean the company that wins the right to maintain these cars, will put the price up overnight forcing people out with less money,
A few years ago we got to race with the guys from the Eurocar series. At the time they ran Mondeo bodys. All the chassis suppied by one company and Mass suppied the sealed v6 engines. Series seamed to work well, you could tune the suspension but not change parts.
Frank Hawley did the same in the states, he supplied chassis, engine and crew. You showed up paid and drove. Could be done here, but someone would need to stump up the money to set the scheme up. Six to eight identicle cars to create a series, with pro/celebrity drivers thrown into the mix to get the media intrested
Frank Hawley did the same in the states, he supplied chassis, engine and crew. You showed up paid and drove. Could be done here, but someone would need to stump up the money to set the scheme up. Six to eight identicle cars to create a series, with pro/celebrity drivers thrown into the mix to get the media intrested
snakehips said:
A few years ago we got to race with the guys from the Eurocar series. At the time they ran Mondeo bodys. All the chassis suppied by one company and Mass suppied the sealed v6 engines. Series seamed to work well, you could tune the suspension but not change parts.
Frank Hawley did the same in the states, he supplied chassis, engine and crew. You showed up paid and drove. Could be done here, but someone would need to stump up the money to set the scheme up. Six to eight identicle cars to create a series, with pro/celebrity drivers thrown into the mix to get the media intrested
Yes eurocars worked well until sonny Howard the chassis builder tried to make too much money out of it and put people off. The pickups still exist but in very reduced numbers and a know a few of the drivers are less than pleased with the cost of the cars and updates that have to be made!Frank Hawley did the same in the states, he supplied chassis, engine and crew. You showed up paid and drove. Could be done here, but someone would need to stump up the money to set the scheme up. Six to eight identicle cars to create a series, with pro/celebrity drivers thrown into the mix to get the media intrested
Also even when you spec things, people will find ways around the rules, look at karting with rotax, they're sealed engines and chassis which comply to Cik rules, but people still find away around the rules but using their wallet, works teams have special chassis which only last a few races and even though the engines are sealed they will buy 20 engines at the start of the season, take them apart and build one super engine with the best bits and flog the rest. In almost every spec series I've seen the only way you can win is with your wallet.
Drag racing is all about different car, different ideas and people doing their own think, variety is the main thing that attracts me to the sport.
Super Mod does this perfectly well already and it offers flexibility in engine combinations that have parity. I can't imagine that Super Mod is any more expensive particularly than any other class that runs similar numbers.
Looking at Super Mod again the racing is very close, 7.40's for all of the contenders and this performance is more about knowledge than the size of your bank balance I would say.
Looking at Super Mod again the racing is very close, 7.40's for all of the contenders and this performance is more about knowledge than the size of your bank balance I would say.
Bayracing said:
Squating Neville said:
1. Cars are built and maintained by one company so that they can't be worked on other than at the track and can be checked for changes after each race
This will mean the company that wins the right to maintain these cars, will put the price up overnight forcing people out with less money,
Not if budgets etc where worked out first surely. I can't imagine someone like John Webster trying to make massive profits from something like this and it would need someone like him to make it workThis will mean the company that wins the right to maintain these cars, will put the price up overnight forcing people out with less money,
Bayracing said:
To stop the rich guys getting an edge how about one of the following options
1. Cars are built and maintained by one company so that they can't be worked on other than at the track and can be checked for changes after each race.
$$$$$1. Cars are built and maintained by one company so that they can't be worked on other than at the track and can be checked for changes after each race.
If we didn't do the majority of the work on our NFAA altered there would be no way we could afford to run it.
Back in the 80's and 90's we had the Rover V8 Championship which had a fairly loose specification initially, but it had to split into two classes Groups 1 and 2, then Pro Rover and Street Rover. The costs escalated for Pro Rover as the cars became more sophisticated. Then the same was happening to Street Rover and they went to an 11.00 second breakout to keep a check on costs - but it then faded in the early 2000's. Mind you a lot of racers started in the class and was a great series.
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