mid season nhra pm rule changes
mid season nhra pm rule changes
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Turbobird1

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443 posts

164 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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from previous mid season rule changes ( blower car min weight dropped to 2600lbs) we have seen these put into effect the following year over here,

will this change be overlooked as we dont have the N20 domination that they are having in the US right now,
making a legal blower car that light is a way of making the class even more expensive as it will involve part titanium chassis which is the norm rather than the exeption these days over there,

any thoughts?

Tet

1,196 posts

220 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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My main thought is that the process by which rules are adopted in Europe and the specific people involved is still a mystery to me (and everyone else to whom I've spoken). I've long thought that some of the rules we've seen in the pro classes should have had more common sense applied before following the NHRA a year later, but I don't know who makes those decisions, and how much input the teams have. Should we be applying these particular rules to PM over here? I don't know. You'd know better than most of us whether they're reasonable or not given the current state of European PM.

What I'm also thinking is that I'm glad I'm not having to fund a PM car in the face of such rule changes!

Turbobird1

Original Poster:

443 posts

164 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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the difference here is the fastest combination in european pro mod is the blower cars followed by turbo cars, in the us the n20 cars are very strong then turbo cars with the blower cars struggling
so no this rule is no way relevant over here,
i suspect it wont be adopted but who knows,

redvictor

3,152 posts

253 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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I heard a rumour that the TH400 is going to be banned again...biggrin
Just kidding Graham..

As none of the performance rules have been adopted in Europe i have no doubt that this one won't be either.
It would make no sense here...

Turbobird1

Original Poster:

443 posts

164 months

Monday 23rd July 2012
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it just means that slowly but surely the european rules are getting further away from the nhra deal ...probably a good thing

63vette

43 posts

167 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Turbobird1 said:
from previous mid season rule changes ( blower car min weight dropped to 2600lbs) we have seen these put into effect the following year over here,

will this change be overlooked as we dont have the N20 domination that they are having in the US right now,
making a legal blower car that light is a way of making the class even more expensive as it will involve part titanium chassis which is the norm rather than the exeption these days over there,

any thoughts?
Hope this is not adopted, as i am struggling to get near the weight break for N20 cars, currently 2350lbs, so any additional advantage to the blower cars isn't going to help the N20 cause.

MotorPsycho

1,126 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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surely giving the blower guys a bit of overdrive back would be a much more sensible and cheaper option?

63vette

43 posts

167 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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MotorPsycho said:
surely giving the blower guys a bit of overdrive back would be a much more sensible and cheaper option?

For who?, (give a bit of overdrive back)?,N20 cars would become uncompetitive in europe, as to meet the weight break of 2350lb the cars need all the titanium and carbon fibre parts to get anywhere near,are you aware of the cost of a carbon interior?, i am!, in Europe, blower cars in the 5's, turbo cars in the 5's, who has a 5 sec N20 car?, the quickest is in the 6.1 range, the rest are mid 6's.For Europe i think the rules need to be left alone for at least a couple of years to allow the teams to spend there, in most cases limited budgets on tuning/developing there various combo's rather than having to comply with rules that maybe relevent in the U.S but not neccesarily relevent in europe.

MotorPsycho

1,126 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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sorry Steve I meant in America, as a fan of the class I can see no merit in changing things over here

peterwalters

230 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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63vette said:

For who?, (give a bit of overdrive back)?,N20 cars would become uncompetitive in europe, as to meet the weight break of 2350lb the cars need all the titanium and carbon fibre parts to get anywhere near,are you aware of the cost of a carbon interior?, i am!, in Europe, blower cars in the 5's, turbo cars in the 5's, who has a 5 sec N20 car?, the quickest is in the 6.1 range, the rest are mid 6's.For Europe i think the rules need to be left alone for at least a couple of years to allow the teams to spend there, in most cases limited budgets on tuning/developing there various combo's rather than having to comply with rules that maybe relevent in the U.S but not neccesarily relevent in europe.
You will be fine Steve, if they are any weight rule changes, we can just take half the body off! biglaugh

63vette

43 posts

167 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Which half? left or right!

peterwalters

230 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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63vette said:
Which half? left or right!
ZZZzzzzziiippp!

Turbobird1

Original Poster:

443 posts

164 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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63vette said:
turbo cars in the 5's,
who??? where???

63vette

43 posts

167 months

Tuesday 24th July 2012
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Turbobird1 said:
who??? where???
Thought Martin Lundquist had?,if not who,s the closest?

63vette

43 posts

167 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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I stand corrected, thanks Lee

Turbobird1

Original Poster:

443 posts

164 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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i thought the part about penalizing cirtain body styles was a bit out of order
whats wrong with the 63 vette that it needs 150 lbs of extra balast??
maybe cause there small and pointy.....

Burndown

732 posts

182 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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Is it in 2013 that NHRA Pro Mod ceases to be bank rolled by Roger Burgess?

That will be the biggest issue for the class, rather than any fiddling around with the rules.

63vette

43 posts

167 months

Thursday 26th July 2012
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Turbobird1 said:
i thought the part about penalizing cirtain body styles was a bit out of order
whats wrong with the 63 vette that it needs 150 lbs of extra balast??
maybe cause there small and pointy.....

Where did you see this?

63vette

43 posts

167 months

Thursday 26th July 2012
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
Probably referring to IHRA's overnight rule change back in the 90's? Back then any pre '69 body was classed as "nostalgia" and given a weight break. Consequently about 99% of the field switched to '63 Corvettes, so the IHRA moved the goal posts to pre '59 instead. I think the nostalgia rule got ditched altogether not long after though, the Hahn/Oddy '54 Corvette was just as slick as a new one!
Yes, i remember that, thought this was a new one!

Turbobird1

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443 posts

164 months

Thursday 26th July 2012
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nothin to do with any old rules at all