Comp Eliminator & Super Modified combined class
Discussion
Hi DragHeads,
Interesting news from SPRC via Eurodragster.com today ,
CE will be run at 5 races including Main Event & Euro Finals
with the SuMo class included, which will run on an 8:00 index.
As it is allowed and encouraged to run under index there
(the more you run under the better you are qualified)
there might be some of the top SuMo doing mid-7s , running 0.5sec under index
should secure a spot in the top 8 if not too many germans, swiss and swedes come along.
I have not tried the "drop-box menu" on the SPRC site yet,
but hope that it is easy enough to use
in finding out for which of the ~32 sub-classes in CE your combo might be good for.
Maybe this is an opportunity for UK racers to give it a try again
in an "all-out, no bracket" class ?
I remember a big thread from last year here in which the lack of potential
FIA recruits was mentioned, we´ll see how this season will come along.
In Germany , Switzerland & Scandinavia CE has a long tradition
and I know that it is one of the classes with the most stress on the engines,
you need to get as much hp as possible from your engine/weight combo,
if you choose the right parts & setup from the start it does not have to be too expensive.
Interesting news from SPRC via Eurodragster.com today ,
CE will be run at 5 races including Main Event & Euro Finals
with the SuMo class included, which will run on an 8:00 index.
As it is allowed and encouraged to run under index there
(the more you run under the better you are qualified)
there might be some of the top SuMo doing mid-7s , running 0.5sec under index
should secure a spot in the top 8 if not too many germans, swiss and swedes come along.
I have not tried the "drop-box menu" on the SPRC site yet,
but hope that it is easy enough to use
in finding out for which of the ~32 sub-classes in CE your combo might be good for.
Maybe this is an opportunity for UK racers to give it a try again
in an "all-out, no bracket" class ?
I remember a big thread from last year here in which the lack of potential
FIA recruits was mentioned, we´ll see how this season will come along.
In Germany , Switzerland & Scandinavia CE has a long tradition
and I know that it is one of the classes with the most stress on the engines,
you need to get as much hp as possible from your engine/weight combo,
if you choose the right parts & setup from the start it does not have to be too expensive.
I think its a great step forward for Comp and has to be benefical fro SuMo also, as we know too well with the NFAA its hard to keep the numbers up. Hopefully should be a boost for Comp and SuMo, I look forward to seeing it!
I'd like to run the Altered in Comp but the weight makes it un-achieveable, calculated for AA/A with a 511ci engine we'd need to weigh over 2700lbs.
I'd like to run the Altered in Comp but the weight makes it un-achieveable, calculated for AA/A with a 511ci engine we'd need to weigh over 2700lbs.
I for one am really happy its back 
I know that not everyone will be, but at least itl be a heads up sportman class IF you want to run it.
Hopefully this time it will give some of the European guys who want to come and play a great place to race
Not everyones car will fit right in, but I hope some do, and it means that more people will come and race.
Super Pro is cool, Super Mod is cool, and Comp eliminator is cool too, so I hope that somewhere in there is room for everyone to have fun
For years ive watched racers abroad 'kill' their index, only to sit down, have a think about it, add a bit of weight to the car and fit into one that has a 'softer' index.
Roll on the season, and the great news for SuMo guys and girls is that if you race eachother in elims, its heads up 1st there wins
I know that not everyone will be, but at least itl be a heads up sportman class IF you want to run it.
Hopefully this time it will give some of the European guys who want to come and play a great place to race
Not everyones car will fit right in, but I hope some do, and it means that more people will come and race.
Super Pro is cool, Super Mod is cool, and Comp eliminator is cool too, so I hope that somewhere in there is room for everyone to have fun
For years ive watched racers abroad 'kill' their index, only to sit down, have a think about it, add a bit of weight to the car and fit into one that has a 'softer' index.
Roll on the season, and the great news for SuMo guys and girls is that if you race eachother in elims, its heads up 1st there wins
Hi Daryl,
nice to see your positive comment, but.....CE is not "heads-up",
only if by chance both racers on the line have the same index.
If one has an 8:00 index and the other one a 7:00 index,
the 8:00 racer will get one second head start.
Whoever is first at the finish line wins,
that´s why I wrote about an "all-out, no bracket" class,
you are allowed to run as fast as you can.
Imagine Feldthusen´s 6,5sec (blown methanol big block) AB/A altered racing heads up
to Robin Sattler´s 8,9sec (2l n/a 4cyl. Ford Cosworth ) F/D ,
that would not be a very exciting race ?
With Robin getting a head start of 2.31 sec because of his 9,65 index against Kenneth´s 7,34,
it would be pretty close at the finish because Robin can run 8,9 (0,75 under)
and Kenneth finishes in 6,47 (0,87 under), so only a tehnth separates them in the lights,
and that tenth can be won (or lost) at the start.
I hope that John will be here soon to back up my statements,
and also hope thet he will be in the 2013 CE fields with his awesome V6,
because he can run more than one sec. under index and was Top Qualifier at Hockenheim 2011.
Ha also made it to the semis with best RT in the house before the skies opened...
P.S.:
How the feck do I open an "excel 2012" spreadsheet ?
Office 2010 and Open office won´t do, and I want to see the CE info on the SPRC site.
nice to see your positive comment, but.....CE is not "heads-up",
only if by chance both racers on the line have the same index.
If one has an 8:00 index and the other one a 7:00 index,
the 8:00 racer will get one second head start.
Whoever is first at the finish line wins,
that´s why I wrote about an "all-out, no bracket" class,
you are allowed to run as fast as you can.
Imagine Feldthusen´s 6,5sec (blown methanol big block) AB/A altered racing heads up
to Robin Sattler´s 8,9sec (2l n/a 4cyl. Ford Cosworth ) F/D ,
that would not be a very exciting race ?
With Robin getting a head start of 2.31 sec because of his 9,65 index against Kenneth´s 7,34,
it would be pretty close at the finish because Robin can run 8,9 (0,75 under)
and Kenneth finishes in 6,47 (0,87 under), so only a tehnth separates them in the lights,
and that tenth can be won (or lost) at the start.
I hope that John will be here soon to back up my statements,
and also hope thet he will be in the 2013 CE fields with his awesome V6,
because he can run more than one sec. under index and was Top Qualifier at Hockenheim 2011.
Ha also made it to the semis with best RT in the house before the skies opened...
P.S.:
How the feck do I open an "excel 2012" spreadsheet ?
Office 2010 and Open office won´t do, and I want to see the CE info on the SPRC site.
Benni said:
P.S.:
How the feck do I open an "excel 2012" spreadsheet ?
Office 2010 and Open office won´t do, and I want to see the CE info on the SPRC site.
It's an MS Office 2010 file Benni, .xlxs, so it won't work in Open Office. How the feck do I open an "excel 2012" spreadsheet ?
Office 2010 and Open office won´t do, and I want to see the CE info on the SPRC site.
The "2012" is a typo that will be corrected later today.
Sorry Benni
Just meant heads up as in no break out, first to the finish line wins
It was kenny feldhusen that really made an impression with that car about 15 years ago first time at mantorp.
Loads of doorcars running 8's and 9's and he runs with the blown altered and has to wait for what seems like an eternity before running them down
Good part was he never lifted and kept winning which brought the house down
Only danger is that people here havent built their cars specifically for their class in comp, and its only likely to be super mod that will fit right in. Well other than john bradshaw whos nissan totally fitted the bill, hence it killed the index!
Roll on summer
Just meant heads up as in no break out, first to the finish line wins
It was kenny feldhusen that really made an impression with that car about 15 years ago first time at mantorp.
Loads of doorcars running 8's and 9's and he runs with the blown altered and has to wait for what seems like an eternity before running them down
Good part was he never lifted and kept winning which brought the house down
Only danger is that people here havent built their cars specifically for their class in comp, and its only likely to be super mod that will fit right in. Well other than john bradshaw whos nissan totally fitted the bill, hence it killed the index!
Roll on summer
I was excited... until I realised that my car wont fit into any of the classes - and I know there are others who felt the same.
Looks like if you have a 7.5 litre motor with a standard roots blower on in a dragster then it will need to weigh 1200kg to be able to compete (which is not legal)... where im hoping mine will sit somewhere around half of that weight. If you have a screaming small block though then you should be fine - but I think that prices me out. Sure the parts are similar cost, but you have to rev higher to run the numbers and to me high revs = high maintenance.
Looks like if you have a 7.5 litre motor with a standard roots blower on in a dragster then it will need to weigh 1200kg to be able to compete (which is not legal)... where im hoping mine will sit somewhere around half of that weight. If you have a screaming small block though then you should be fine - but I think that prices me out. Sure the parts are similar cost, but you have to rev higher to run the numbers and to me high revs = high maintenance.
Turn7 said:
Is there an idiots guide to CE anywhere ?
I understand its heads up to a bracket based on performance indices, but not clear about what happens when you run under index ?
How do you kill the index ?
This is where the fun will start .....I understand its heads up to a bracket based on performance indices, but not clear about what happens when you run under index ?
How do you kill the index ?
In the interests of parity, 'normally' if you run over .50 under your index IN ELIMINATIONS, you would be subject to a 'competition index control' or cic penalty.
So.....if you have an a/dragster that has a 7.0 index and qualify at 6.3 thats fine, your .7 under your index, and it remains at 7.0 going into competition.
However, if you run a 6.3 on raceday, as youve run .2 under the .5 allowance, you instantly get a cic penalty of .2 on the CLASS index.
This would bring it down to 6.8 for the next round and so on....
BUT you cant break out so you still get the round win if you got there first, which to some is the most important part of running it!
Heres the other potential 'issue'.
Years ago in the states a number of racers from overseas, not naming anyone at all, would go over with the expressed intention of running as quick as they could.
Nothing wrong it that it would seem, but, the WHOLE class index gets the adjustment not just the one driver that did it, potentially leaving the rest of the racers in that indexed class to take the consequences.
It would mean that someone was fairly competitive running .4-.5 under index, after the adjustment would only be say .2-.3 under, ie not so competitive anymore.
That though is when you need to look at class weights and indexes to see which would be 'softer'.
It will also explain that while racing, if someone is sooooo far infront they will back off, so as not to kill their index.
Very sorry for the long winded explaination, but it was bound to come up sooner or later.
This is a prime example of why some people call it complicated eliminator, but, with enough thought and sensible racing it can be a great class to watch and competitive.
Oh and spare a thought, im going to have to be the one explaining it all season
I sincerely hope Comp takes off because it's a racers class for the thinking man. Unfortunately it's being reintroduced in a country where most people want maintenance-free racing, and build cars before looking for a class that it fits in properly. There are some incredible cars and combos in existence though throughout the world in Comp though so it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.....
I think alot of UK racers cant afford a high maintenance car. We did a couple of bouts of damage to what was supposed to be a low maintenance motor last year and it wiped me out - hence were changing direction and going with a blown big block that we dont have to spin hard to go fairly quickly, with parts that I can afford, and in a car that doesnt weigh a great deal. I want to run mid to low 7's, and in the future if i can afford to run quicker still. My choices for MSA competition are bracket racing in the wild bunch, or bracket racing in super pro. Both are awesome classes, but in my heart I just want to be pushing the car to go as fast as I can afford with first to the line being the winner and some chance of being competitive. Also im a FED guy, ive always wanted FED's - pro mod's, RED's, Funnies and altereds are cool - but they arent me. Im sure as well its not just me who's in this position.
dorrisdormouse said:
I think alot of UK racers cant afford a high maintenance car. We did a couple of bouts of damage to what was supposed to be a low maintenance motor last year and it wiped me out - hence were changing direction and going with a blown big block that we dont have to spin hard to go fairly quickly, with parts that I can afford, and in a car that doesnt weigh a great deal. I want to run mid to low 7's, and in the future if i can afford to run quicker still. My choices for MSA competition are bracket racing in the wild bunch, or bracket racing in super pro. Both are awesome classes, but in my heart I just want to be pushing the car to go as fast as I can afford with first to the line being the winner and some chance of being competitive. Also im a FED guy, ive always wanted FED's - pro mod's, RED's, Funnies and altereds are cool - but they arent me. Im sure as well its not just me who's in this position.
I think that's the thing, it's all well and good rat fink saying people only want low maintenance cars......well yeh cos that's what most people can only afford. I think most will agree its better to have a lot of cars out there that are reliable and low maintenance rather than have just a few pushing the limits and costing more to race. That's not to say in an ideal world he isn't right, Christ I'd love to be racing in sumo or comp elim and pushing the boundaries but I can just about afford the mortgage and car at the moment, and priorities have t be with those....Thanks Bernie,
I really enjoyed Comp Elim & was gutted when it was pulled over here, seeing how great the class was at Tierp and Hockenheim in terms of size and field + variation of cars was a real eye opener.
As others have said once you get into it it's quite a strategic class in terms of either looking to hold something in reserve or having teh option to go balls out.
What i particularly liked was the fact it was first past the line with no breakout which made it very very easy for spectators/sponsors to understand what was going on & from a spectacle point of view made them want to watch.
I really enjoyed Comp Elim & was gutted when it was pulled over here, seeing how great the class was at Tierp and Hockenheim in terms of size and field + variation of cars was a real eye opener.
As others have said once you get into it it's quite a strategic class in terms of either looking to hold something in reserve or having teh option to go balls out.
What i particularly liked was the fact it was first past the line with no breakout which made it very very easy for spectators/sponsors to understand what was going on & from a spectacle point of view made them want to watch.
Years ago there was a little dragster called "Exile", we raced heads up at Long Marston & won the championship. The car was low maintenence and very reliable, to the point where we could do 3 qualifying passes in a session. Eventually "they" decided that to speed up racing WE had to have a reverse gear (We didn't burn-out over the start line). So one of the cheapest forms of the sport was ruled out. We had a Kawasaki Z1000 engine bored to 1200 & running Nitrous, it ran a best of 8.95 That's affordable racing!.
Jupp318 said:
Years ago there was a little dragster called "Exile", we raced heads up at Long Marston & won the championship. The car was low maintenence and very reliable, to the point where we could do 3 qualifying passes in a session. Eventually "they" decided that to speed up racing WE had to have a reverse gear (We didn't burn-out over the start line). So one of the cheapest forms of the sport was ruled out. We had a Kawasaki Z1000 engine bored to 1200 & running Nitrous, it ran a best of 8.95 That's affordable racing!.
Just out of blind curiosity where would that fit in comp as it stands now?I remember the car well and it went like poo off a stick!
Robin Sattler is very competitive with his lil dragster, and i cant imagine it cost mega money to build!
Its precicely cars like yours that 'could' really fit in well.
If everyone wants to go big block doorslammer or dragster racing, then yes it can get pricey, but a small, easy to run dragster with a bike engine that runs 8's surely cant cost more than a super gas car (for example), yet you get to race all out with no breakouts
It just means you have to work out what youve got to spend, what index or class it could run in, and then if all that works out build it and have fun.
Again, not being rude, but im sure Lukes 'new' dragster once sorted wouldnt be massively expensive (easy for me to say, im not paying for it) but be big fun and competitive aswell
Ok flame away .....
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