Discussion
Tet said:
So that's his 5th consecutive oildown in as many runs. You have to wonder what on earth they're doing to that car for that to happen...
Just a thought, re "what on earth are they doing to that car" I reckon they are making it go very fast and propably pushing everything to the limits, including themselves, which is why he has set records here and there and is the European Champion, perhaps when you have done the same you can critisize, until then shut up 
and support a guy who is doing everything he can to run as fast as he can. I say well done URS, what say the rest of you?I agree Derek, some people have no clue what it takes to try and take a motor to its very limit, even if they think they do, i know this from my own experience, just cos you have a bit of a hoped up engine does not mean you know it all. moving up to my current set up is almost like learning from the beggining and of course these guys who critisize have never had a leek before have they...........
P.S. havnt forgot i still am having the can from you mate just having a hard time getting out the garage at the moment you know what its like when you out next? main event
Lee
P.S. havnt forgot i still am having the can from you mate just having a hard time getting out the garage at the moment you know what its like when you out next? main event
Lee
Edited by leecb05 on Monday 14th April 11:03
Derek GRV said:
I reckon they are making it go very fast and propably pushing everything to the limits, including themselves, which is why he has set records here and there and is the European Champion, perhaps when you have done the same you can critisize, until then shut up
:-) Well that's told me, then! Yes, they're running impressive times, and I'm glad that a European team is finally able to go over there and make a decent showing. But at the same time, although everyone has oildowns, to have 5 in a row is unusual, even if you are pushing the car hard. I wasn't criticising, merely wondering what the cause was.Tet, perhaps you should have started your thread in a more positive fashion then, as I bet you would not have gone up to Urs at the main event and asked like that "what on earth are you doing to your car then to have 5 oil downs in a row" or you might have got 
Just seemed a little sarcy to me !
Just seemed a little sarcy to me ! Derek GRV said:
I bet you would not have gone up to Urs at the main event and asked like that "what on earth are you doing to your car then to have 5 oil downs in a row"
Actually, I might have done. Urs is a nice guy, and I doubt he'd have taken it the wrong way. That aside, I suppose I could have prefixed my post with "Congratulations to Urs on doing so well in the US", but I've never been one for political correctness. I tend to say what I think, which some see as a lack of tact, but as far as I'm concerned that's their problem not mine. Naturally, I'm pleased for Urs that he's qualified at all of the events he's entered over there, and has run some seriously impressive times. I just didn't see the need to mention it...Strong words Derek, If you had oiled the track 5 times in a row at SP, your popularity would have gone down like a lead ballon and much critism would have been levied. I know, I have been blamed for that crime when it wasn't even my car. Pushing the car hard does not mean that you have to sacrifice an engine, which I am sure you will find out soon enough
Bob Jarrett said:
Strong words Derek, If you had oiled the track 5 times in a row at SP, your popularity would have gone down like a lead ballon and much critism would have been levied. I know, I have been blamed for that crime when it wasn't even my car. Pushing the car hard does not mean that you have to sacrifice an engine, which I am sure you will find out soon enough
or knut will .Bob Jarrett said:
Strong words Derek, If you had oiled the track 5 times in a row at SP, your popularity would have gone down like a lead ballon and much critism would have been levied. I know, I have been blamed for that crime when it wasn't even my car. Pushing the car hard does not mean that you have to sacrifice an engine, which I am sure you will find out soon enough
yep strong words but some people are just to quick to jump on the negatives and I am sure Urs and the team were trying the best they could not to oil down, but when you put stuff on the web it is read by all and sundry for years to come and personally for a forum that is here to support European drag racing I feel it was not really justified in the way it was said. I know I have only been in the sport five minutes and I bow to your achievements Bob, but believe me, we have always run as fast and hard as we could but I have never believed in sacrificing a bullet to do so, and I don't think Knut will be any different, but perhaps we can just agree sometimes s
t just happens and if it is 5 times in a row, so be it, surely Urs has done enough to earn the respect of us Europeans. Also as Urs had explained on his blog, at least twice the engine was clean and it was due to a catch can manufacturing problem and the last one, well, we have all been shut down after a burn out haven’t we, normally someone has forgot to tighten something or a fitting has worked loose or broken. However, having been to the US a few times now, I know the mentality is very different there, as I am sure you are aware, if you were to ask any of the crew chiefs or team owners it may cost you a bullet to get in the show, or go a round, I know what they would choose! I am not saying that is right but that is just the way it is there, that’s why most of the big teams have 3 or 4 bullets just waiting to go in, and when in Rome I guess you have to do as the Romans do. Derek, this is not a critism but I think you missed my point. Most of the time the track get's oiled not because of the engine being stressed and kicking the rods out but by a simple mistake such as leaving the oil plug loose or forgeting to tighten the valve cover nuts, or not replacing the oil hoses often enough, or having the oil pump relief valve stick and blowing the oil filter off, or ???? Point is teams get branded as leakers and it's bad for the show, let alone for the people who have to clean it up and the spectators who have to endure the break in the racing. Here in the States, as you know, they fine you big bucks, they take away points and you give up lane choice if you win the round. If you think that the crew chiefs are not concerned with this then you are mistaken. When the team is fined then the crew chief gets his bonus cut by the same ammount. After all he is responsible for his crew guys mistakes and or the tune up. Bottom line is the team that makes the least mistakes normally comes out the winner. What I think will be hard is if they adopt the fine system in Europe, but I can see the merit. In my view all it will achieve is to widen the gap between the well funded and the low budget teams. Better off giving a bonus to the team that do not oil the track.
"but perhaps we can just agree sometimes st just happens and if it is 5 times in a row, so be it"
Sorry, can't agree with you there. st does not just happen with one of these cars, there are reasons for everything and knowing what caused a problem is priceless. Getting shut off before staging is just so humiliating beyond belief.
All that now said, good luck with your licensing runs next week.
"but perhaps we can just agree sometimes s
t just happens and if it is 5 times in a row, so be it"Sorry, can't agree with you there. s
t does not just happen with one of these cars, there are reasons for everything and knowing what caused a problem is priceless. Getting shut off before staging is just so humiliating beyond belief.All that now said, good luck with your licensing runs next week.
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