Race car rigs.....licence?
Discussion
Hi,
Please somebody correct me if i am wrong but as far as i'm aware currently to drive a large goods vehicle of any catagory you will need the appropiate licence for that class,as for 'o' licence,you will not require one to transport your own racecar PROVIDING that you can prove that there is nothing to win or gain financialy from your racing.
You must NOT display any form of sponsors names or any kind of advertising on your truck.Also should you have the misfortune of being stopped by a vosa inspector under no cicumstances must you confirm that there is money available from contingentcey sponsors or such like.
If you chose to sticker your vehicle up then you will require an 'o' licence, now you enter a very grey area.Although it is your racecar and outfit your sponsors are either giving you money or products for you to promote for them, so this constitutes reward, which means that you require an 'o'licence. If you are only racing in the uk then it will be a national operators licence,if you chose to race in europe then it is an international operators licence. This would then entail needing a cpc or a cpc holder, operating center approved by vosa ect!
You should also remember that although your race outfit is not for hire and reward you still need to use tachograph records to record your driving activity, which then opens yet another can of worms!!!
Current legislation requires you as the driver to carry the previous 28 days tachographs AND if you hold a digital tacho card , this aswell.So in a nutshell if you are a professional driver you fall foul of the daily and weekly rest requirements!! Unless you can prove that you have taken sufficient rest prior to driving your race outfit you will have to ensure that you have sufficient driving hours available to complete youir journey.
So in answer to your original question, yes you need a licence for the catagory of vehicle you wish to drive :-) Tune in soon to find out where you stand on coaches that have been converted to transporters/ motorhomes....aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhh
Please somebody correct me if i am wrong but as far as i'm aware currently to drive a large goods vehicle of any catagory you will need the appropiate licence for that class,as for 'o' licence,you will not require one to transport your own racecar PROVIDING that you can prove that there is nothing to win or gain financialy from your racing.
You must NOT display any form of sponsors names or any kind of advertising on your truck.Also should you have the misfortune of being stopped by a vosa inspector under no cicumstances must you confirm that there is money available from contingentcey sponsors or such like.
If you chose to sticker your vehicle up then you will require an 'o' licence, now you enter a very grey area.Although it is your racecar and outfit your sponsors are either giving you money or products for you to promote for them, so this constitutes reward, which means that you require an 'o'licence. If you are only racing in the uk then it will be a national operators licence,if you chose to race in europe then it is an international operators licence. This would then entail needing a cpc or a cpc holder, operating center approved by vosa ect!
You should also remember that although your race outfit is not for hire and reward you still need to use tachograph records to record your driving activity, which then opens yet another can of worms!!!
Current legislation requires you as the driver to carry the previous 28 days tachographs AND if you hold a digital tacho card , this aswell.So in a nutshell if you are a professional driver you fall foul of the daily and weekly rest requirements!! Unless you can prove that you have taken sufficient rest prior to driving your race outfit you will have to ensure that you have sufficient driving hours available to complete youir journey.
So in answer to your original question, yes you need a licence for the catagory of vehicle you wish to drive :-) Tune in soon to find out where you stand on coaches that have been converted to transporters/ motorhomes....aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhh
"Current legislation requires you as the driver to carry the previous 28 days tachographs AND if you hold a digital tacho card"
shouldnt that read last 7 working days charts upto a MAX of 28 (when they should be with the O licence holder)
any qualified HGV class 1 driver will be well aware of UK driving hours, rest hours, driving limits, spreadovers, blah blah blah....
whats the taxation class for a tractor unit used only for (say) a race car outfit (articulated unit+trailer)?
shouldnt that read last 7 working days charts upto a MAX of 28 (when they should be with the O licence holder)
any qualified HGV class 1 driver will be well aware of UK driving hours, rest hours, driving limits, spreadovers, blah blah blah....
whats the taxation class for a tractor unit used only for (say) a race car outfit (articulated unit+trailer)?
Edited by veryoldfart on Saturday 25th April 16:34
You now have to carry the current days tacho AND the previous 28 days charts AND a digital tacho card aswell because as anyone knows that all hgv drivers are corrupt and liars!,ask any vosa traffic officer..
Taxation class will depend on how you register your truck,ie , private use would be private hgv,there is also the option to down plate the truck to say 28,000 tonnes gvw
Taxation class will depend on how you register your truck,ie , private use would be private hgv,there is also the option to down plate the truck to say 28,000 tonnes gvw
A fith wheel combination whether it be a dually or mini artic can be driven on a car licence as long as the gvw does notexceed 7.5 tonnes, but remember that you must have entitalment on your licence for 7.5 tonners.Obviously for us more mature drivers this is not an issue but for younger drivers it could be a problem..
Another wonderful piece of legslation due out very soon is that your tow bar will fall into the testing criteria when you present your car/van/campervan for its mot, yet another minefield to negotiate....Another thing to consider is the overall length and width of your dually combination!!!
On that note i'm now going for a lie down...........Nurse!!!! Pills Please!!!!!
Another wonderful piece of legslation due out very soon is that your tow bar will fall into the testing criteria when you present your car/van/campervan for its mot, yet another minefield to negotiate....Another thing to consider is the overall length and width of your dually combination!!!
On that note i'm now going for a lie down...........Nurse!!!! Pills Please!!!!!
VOF, follow these two links:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensi...
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
They tell you what licence you need and what the tax will cost.
Andrew is spot on about Ops licence, if you gain any reward through racing (which I forgot to consider in my previous post) you will need an Ops licence (not a restricted Ops licence) and accordingly you will have to have the relevant CPC qualification and satisfy the authorities you are fit to hold it.
Two words can describe the situation for us racing types: f
king Minefield !
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensi...
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicl...
They tell you what licence you need and what the tax will cost.
Andrew is spot on about Ops licence, if you gain any reward through racing (which I forgot to consider in my previous post) you will need an Ops licence (not a restricted Ops licence) and accordingly you will have to have the relevant CPC qualification and satisfy the authorities you are fit to hold it.
Two words can describe the situation for us racing types: f
king Minefield !I thinks its curious that car towbars are regulated under law, while commercial vehicle towbars (vans not drawbar prime movers) are not** , at one time im sure the 7.5t+trailer limit was 12t MAM?
Towbar Legislation
Type Approval 94/20/EC - Mechanical Couplings
The introduction of a type approval procedure for mechanical couplings is intended to harmonise standards of their construction. It should also ensure that, in concert with other whole vehicle type approval provisions, the fitment of couplings complies with the recommendations of the vehicle manufacturer in terms of the most appropriate mounting points and methods of fitment to help avoid damage to the vehicle.
The measure will also contribute to the harmonisation of standards throughout the EC and assist in achieving a single market. UK and European manufacturers of such equipment will compete on level terms with regard to performance and construction requirements.
"Use of mechanical coupling devices
96B (1) This regulation applies to every light passenger vehicle first used on or after August 1st 1998 in respect of which an EC certificate of conformity has effect.
(2) No person shall use or cause or permit to be used on a road any vehicle to which this regulation applies unless any mechanical coupling device which is attached to it complies with the relevant technical and installation requirements of Annexes I, V, VI, VII of Community Directive 94/20(a) and is marked in accordance with Annex I to that Directive."
The Translation
* Any light passenger vehicle registered in the UK on or after August 1st 1998 ('S' Registration) will require a type approved towbar and towball (when fitted).
* Light Commercial Vehicles and Car Derived Vans are not covered by Type Approval. (LCVs continue to be exempt and are unlikely to be covered for the next 5 years or so).
* This legislation will not be retrospective, therefore any vehicle registered before August 1st 1998 will never require a type approved towbar (e.g. 'R' registered vehicles will never require type approved towbars).
* Any vehicle requiring an approved towbar also requires an appropriately approved towball. Towball 'D' and 'S' values must match or exceed the towbar 'D' and 'S' values.
in the states driving certain minniwinniewannabagomagowago motorhomes requier HGV licences in certain
states...
Towbar Legislation
Type Approval 94/20/EC - Mechanical Couplings
The introduction of a type approval procedure for mechanical couplings is intended to harmonise standards of their construction. It should also ensure that, in concert with other whole vehicle type approval provisions, the fitment of couplings complies with the recommendations of the vehicle manufacturer in terms of the most appropriate mounting points and methods of fitment to help avoid damage to the vehicle.
The measure will also contribute to the harmonisation of standards throughout the EC and assist in achieving a single market. UK and European manufacturers of such equipment will compete on level terms with regard to performance and construction requirements.
"Use of mechanical coupling devices
96B (1) This regulation applies to every light passenger vehicle first used on or after August 1st 1998 in respect of which an EC certificate of conformity has effect.
(2) No person shall use or cause or permit to be used on a road any vehicle to which this regulation applies unless any mechanical coupling device which is attached to it complies with the relevant technical and installation requirements of Annexes I, V, VI, VII of Community Directive 94/20(a) and is marked in accordance with Annex I to that Directive."
The Translation
* Any light passenger vehicle registered in the UK on or after August 1st 1998 ('S' Registration) will require a type approved towbar and towball (when fitted).
* Light Commercial Vehicles and Car Derived Vans are not covered by Type Approval. (LCVs continue to be exempt and are unlikely to be covered for the next 5 years or so).
* This legislation will not be retrospective, therefore any vehicle registered before August 1st 1998 will never require a type approved towbar (e.g. 'R' registered vehicles will never require type approved towbars).
* Any vehicle requiring an approved towbar also requires an appropriately approved towball. Towball 'D' and 'S' values must match or exceed the towbar 'D' and 'S' values.
in the states driving certain minniwinniewannabagomagowago motorhomes requier HGV licences in certain
states...
- my torneo is a "car" yet its 95% transit which is a non-car derived van, it has 8 seats not the possible 9, so can i do 70mph on a dual carriageway (with no trailer).....arrrghhhhh headaches!
Edited by veryoldfart on Sunday 26th April 18:56
PhilSweeney said:
towbars being tested is a good thing, I'll put up s pic of the abortion I'm just taking off my transit, it's a step converted with 3mm angle iron into a towbar...whole thing flees when I stand on it, if I'd hooked a trailer on it, I'd have lost the lot.
I agree, its just odd that a mondeo must have an approved towbar whilst a transit need not...Gassing Station | Drag Racing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff