This is probably a stupid q......
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Hi Paul,
My understanding is that it's because you are deemed to be gaining an advantage by being able to cut a better light and still run on index if the car is set up to counter the time lost off the line. You could potentially roll in deep and cut a 0.0XX light and then set the car to run a 9.8X but with the deep stage a .9X would probably be the outcome.
Dan
My understanding is that it's because you are deemed to be gaining an advantage by being able to cut a better light and still run on index if the car is set up to counter the time lost off the line. You could potentially roll in deep and cut a 0.0XX light and then set the car to run a 9.8X but with the deep stage a .9X would probably be the outcome.
Dan
Edited by Flying Toilet on Thursday 26th November 12:02
Yes Super Street is still 0.5 all-ambers-on.
Another way of looking at deep staging not being allowed in Super classes: because they are fixed-index classes, all things are meant to be equal. Those few inches further forward you could go if it was allowed would shorten your race distance compared to the other guy. Banning deep staging is therefore one of those essentials in keeping things equal in index classes.
Another way of looking at deep staging not being allowed in Super classes: because they are fixed-index classes, all things are meant to be equal. Those few inches further forward you could go if it was allowed would shorten your race distance compared to the other guy. Banning deep staging is therefore one of those essentials in keeping things equal in index classes.
Thanks guys. They ahbve the habit here of instructing the driver to reverse back out of the deep staged position but when I ask why they do that .. "it's the rules" is all I get. I assume deep staging is still OK in unlimited (no breakout) classes?
As an aside, the guys here (Adriatic countries) race to indices like Super Gas etc but they do it to 10, 11 , 12 second classes of one second 'width'. As soon as somebody in, for example, the 15 to 15.99 class, runs 14.99 in qualifying, they put him into the 14 to 14.99 class whether he likes it or not. Most people just go home when that happens.
Is it me?
As an aside, the guys here (Adriatic countries) race to indices like Super Gas etc but they do it to 10, 11 , 12 second classes of one second 'width'. As soon as somebody in, for example, the 15 to 15.99 class, runs 14.99 in qualifying, they put him into the 14 to 14.99 class whether he likes it or not. Most people just go home when that happens.
Is it me?
In general I agree with Tog´s knowledge on this, but I think there is a slight difference
between quali and race, if one participant deep stages in quali
and the starter sees it as unintentional (driver new to class,slipped off transbrake etc)
then the starter MAY allow the racer to back into the beams again,
while signalling the slight delay in procedures to the correctly staged opponent.
I have seen nervous newbies doing this and then going backwards on the launch...
In a race situation there is no pardon, once the blue light is ON at the tree
this indicates (on most trees) that the "Sure Start" system is activated,
then the red light comes on automatically if someone puts out pre-stage before green.
The "one-second bracket" sort of ET/Super racing that Ribaric writes about
is something that Jerry Lackey and his MSTO crew run at non-sanctioned events for the "street/tuning" community,
because there are enormous E.T. differences between various cars, depending on their stage of modification.
On friday, there is "free practice" that does not count for quali,
and ther more experienced racers go all-out with their new setups and parts,
sometimes running a "new personal best" of 13.90 or 13.70.
These very same drivers then lift slightly in quali to get a 14.0 or 14.1 which puts them
on a better quali spot within their bracket class.
To keep the ultra-sandbaggers busy, Jerry then announces an amout of allowed breakout
just before eliminations which varies from event to event betweem 0.1 and 0.3 sec.
So sometimes it is OK to run a 13.9 in the "14.00-14.99" class, sometimes a 13.7 still keeps you in.
The "Top Class" at these events is running no breakout, they usually go in the 11s or 10s,
which is quite an achievement because 90% of the (Polo/Golf/Corsa etc) cars are FWD.
A lot of the regular drivers at these events are quite good in ET racing now,
and some of the more quick and advanced "Top Class" ones are now joining the Pro/ET class,
once their cars are fully race-legal regarding cages and other safety devices/rules.
I think Jerry worked out a good way to get fresh drivers into "real" drag racing this way.
There still are t
ts that think it is smart to enter the 14sec class with a 12sec car
to get easy wins, they most often eliminate thenselves by massive breakouts
once the "racing red mist" kicks in........
between quali and race, if one participant deep stages in quali
and the starter sees it as unintentional (driver new to class,slipped off transbrake etc)
then the starter MAY allow the racer to back into the beams again,
while signalling the slight delay in procedures to the correctly staged opponent.
I have seen nervous newbies doing this and then going backwards on the launch...
In a race situation there is no pardon, once the blue light is ON at the tree
this indicates (on most trees) that the "Sure Start" system is activated,
then the red light comes on automatically if someone puts out pre-stage before green.
The "one-second bracket" sort of ET/Super racing that Ribaric writes about
is something that Jerry Lackey and his MSTO crew run at non-sanctioned events for the "street/tuning" community,
because there are enormous E.T. differences between various cars, depending on their stage of modification.
On friday, there is "free practice" that does not count for quali,
and ther more experienced racers go all-out with their new setups and parts,
sometimes running a "new personal best" of 13.90 or 13.70.
These very same drivers then lift slightly in quali to get a 14.0 or 14.1 which puts them
on a better quali spot within their bracket class.
To keep the ultra-sandbaggers busy, Jerry then announces an amout of allowed breakout
just before eliminations which varies from event to event betweem 0.1 and 0.3 sec.
So sometimes it is OK to run a 13.9 in the "14.00-14.99" class, sometimes a 13.7 still keeps you in.
The "Top Class" at these events is running no breakout, they usually go in the 11s or 10s,
which is quite an achievement because 90% of the (Polo/Golf/Corsa etc) cars are FWD.
A lot of the regular drivers at these events are quite good in ET racing now,
and some of the more quick and advanced "Top Class" ones are now joining the Pro/ET class,
once their cars are fully race-legal regarding cages and other safety devices/rules.
I think Jerry worked out a good way to get fresh drivers into "real" drag racing this way.
There still are t
ts that think it is smart to enter the 14sec class with a 12sec carto get easy wins, they most often eliminate thenselves by massive breakouts
once the "racing red mist" kicks in........
Edited by Benni on Thursday 26th November 15:25
Benni said:
the starter MAY allow the racer to back into the beams again,
while signalling the slight delay in procedures to the correctly staged opponent.
I have seen nervous newbies doing this and then going backwards on the launch...
Hence the rule stating that you must go from pre-stage to stage under power and in a forward direction. I'm surprised that's not being enforced.while signalling the slight delay in procedures to the correctly staged opponent.
I have seen nervous newbies doing this and then going backwards on the launch...
Benni said:
In general I agree with Tog´s knowledge on this, but I think there is a slight difference
between quali and race, if one participant deep stages in quali
and the starter sees it as unintentional (driver new to class,slipped off transbrake etc)
then the starter MAY allow the racer to back into the beams again,
while signalling the slight delay in procedures to the correctly staged opponent.
Over here a qualifying run stands if you deep-stage. It's only in eliminations that deep-staging gets you DQd.between quali and race, if one participant deep stages in quali
and the starter sees it as unintentional (driver new to class,slipped off transbrake etc)
then the starter MAY allow the racer to back into the beams again,
while signalling the slight delay in procedures to the correctly staged opponent.
Eurodragster Tog said:
It's only in eliminations that deep-staging gets you DQd.
Don't I know it! "He's good on the tree," Paul said, referring to my opponent, Matt Gatland, "so just nibble a bit and go slightly further into stage." I overdid it, and deep staged. DQ. Lesson learned. I won't be doing that one again in a hurry :-) There are many ways to lose a drag race. But to throw it away before the tree has even run isn't the cleverest of them...Gassing Station | Drag Racing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff