Please post your racing opinions

[tony g]

Please if you have something to say about drag racing feel free to say it on here. There is no where else to comment on stuff related to the pod or shakey so why cant people share what they feel about facilities at these venues?

Because not all of us are in "the click" and dont know ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING we ask questions and post comments that relate to OUR feelings about what is going on at tracks. It a forum - it means discuss- nothing more. People learn from it, thats life

Lets share the sport we love and get newbies into too because if there are no newbies and the oldies die there will be no spectators and that means no racing.. please dicuss without calling me a t...t or a c...t please.
Oh how do i get my own topic closed after one post? (not this one)

Tony

[NitroChrisUK]

tony g said:

Please if you have something to say about drag racing feel free to say it on here. There is no where else to comment on stuff related to the pod or shakey so why cant people share what they feel about facilities at these venues?

Because not all of us are in "the click" and dont know ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING we ask questions and post comments that relate to OUR feelings about what is going on at tracks. It a forum - it means discuss- nothing more. People learn from it, thats life

Lets share the sport we love and get newbies into too because if there are no newbies and the oldies die there will be no spectators and that means no racing.. please dicuss without calling me a t...t or a c...t please.
Oh how do i get my own topic closed after one post? (not this one)

Tony

agree with you totally with everything you have said here. bravo for posting this.

[crikey]

tony g said:

ask questions

You will get no bigger supporter of this than me, I've made that point several times.

[Burndown]

crikey said:

tony g said:

ask questions

You will get no bigger supporter of this than me, I've made that point several times.

A couple of questions then.

Why was there no second round of Qualifying on Friday?

and why was the Pro Classes running order different for The Euro Finals than the Main Event?

[Tet]

Burndown said:

and why was the Pro Classes running order different for The Euro Finals than the Main Event?

No idea. It was, however, the same as the provisional running order that was published before the event.

[NitroChrisUK]

Burndown said:

Why was there no second round of Qualifying on Friday?

I would assume that because the day was so rain delayed and that the 1st cycle of pro classes was not complete until near 8pm .. there was not much point starting a second session as there was no way it would have got all the classes in before 9pm

[Jon C]

Burndown said:

and why was the Pro Classes running order different for The Euro Finals than the Main Event?

Why would it necessarily be the same? Two different events.

[crikey]

Burndown said:

crikey said:

tony g said:

ask questions

You will get no bigger supporter of this than me, I've made that point several times.

A couple of questions then.

Why was there no second round of Qualifying on Friday?

and why was the Pro Classes running order different for The Euro Finals than the Main Event?

I'm not the race director but I understand it was primarily due to safety as conditions were becoming marginal. Also I believe there are issues concerning running a partial pro session.

Certain classes do not like to run after certain other classes. For example Pro Stock do not like to run after Top Fuel, I guess it's to do with track conditions and the effect some classes have on it. Racers speak to the race director and other officials regularly and there comments on the track, are considered and acted upon if appropriate.

Darren Prentice and Robin Shone both used to post on here. Perhaps if there wasn't so much vitriolic criticism and abuse hurled their way they might feel like posting again. I believe the majority would prefer to read their wise words rather than my half arsed ramblings.

[tony g]

Crikey, thats interesting info regarding pro stock not running after fuellers, id never though of that but with the almost clinical conditions the p/s guys like it makes sense.

Tony

[crikey]

See what happens when you ask questions

[Slinky]

Andy, perhaps Robin and Darren could be persuaded back into our fold? It would be interesting to get some real information sharing going on in here.. More so than we have of late..

[crikey]

I hope so mate, I really hope so.

[tony g]

crikey said:

See what happens when you ask questions

Indeed i'm notorious for asking questions (at least with my chassis builder)


Tony

[Tet]

crikey said:

Also I believe there are issues concerning running a partial pro session.

Do you happen to know what those issues might be? I've heard it said many times that they don't like to run a partial session, but as I said on another thread, I don't understand why. To me, it would be better to have half of the pro classes get all four qualifiers and the rest only get three, rather than have everyone only get three.

[crikey]

Tet said:

crikey said:

Also I believe there are issues concerning running a partial pro session.

Do you happen to know what those issues might be? I've heard it said many times that they don't like to run a partial session, but as I said on another thread, I don't understand why. To me, it would be better to have half of the pro classes get all four qualifiers and the rest only get three, rather than have everyone only get three.

To be honest no, hence the "I believe". I suspect one of them is that there would be some some grief associated from whichever of the classes got less qualfiers than other classes. It's one thing for this to happen due to the weather or something else outside of the director's control, but if it happened through what would effectively be choice....

[Jon C]

Total guess, but could it be anything to do with fair distribution of exposure for entrants and their sponsors? Given that all the teams contribute to the TV pot is it fair that any of the pro teams gains more exposure than others?

Tet said:

crikey said:

Also I believe there are issues concerning running a partial pro session.

Do you happen to know what those issues might be? I've heard it said many times that they don't like to run a partial session, but as I said on another thread, I don't understand why. To me, it would be better to have half of the pro classes get all four qualifiers and the rest only get three, rather than have everyone only get three.

[Benni]

Tet said:

crikey said:

Also I believe there are issues concerning running a partial pro session.

Do you happen to know what those issues might be? I've heard it said many times that they don't like to run a partial session, but as I said on another thread, I don't understand why. To me, it would be better to have half of the pro classes get all four qualifiers and the rest only get three, rather than have everyone only get three.

To my belief, it simply has something to do with
"the same chance for everyone to prepare in an optimal way for the eliminations",
the more runs you have to get a good setup the better your chances are for winning.
Just think about many racers -even with top material and good crew- who did not find the
right setup in the first Quali round(s) but went from nowhere to a good position in the ladder in the "last Chance Saloon" ?

Having "preferred" classes in the FIA/UEM would do no one justice and would create a lot of bad moods.

[Tet]

Benni said:

Having "preferred" classes in the FIA/UEM would do no one justice and would create a lot of bad moods.

I'm not suggesting having preferred classes. I'm merely suggesting that the qualifying cycle be started, even if there isn't time to finish it. The classes would be run in their scheduled order, and if curfew/weather/track conditions/whatever means the whole cycle can't be run, well, then it sucks to be in the classes that were due to run at the end. But ultimately, they're no worse off than they were before. I certainly wouldn't advocate bumping, say, Top Fuel to the front of the list because the race director didn't expect to get all of the classes through in time. Such preferential treatment would (rightly) anger the other classes.

[robc3303]

Good summing up Tet, agree with what you say. If there is a decent chunk of track time left, then use it up in the agreed order. If for arguements sake, that meant in two days of qualifying one FIA class had three Q sessions and another had four, then so be it. No preferential treatments or swapping around schedules, just pragmatism is called for. The weather plays such a spoiler in Europe any dry track time at an FIA event should be used. That said, the race director must have a reason for finishing the event when he did but we do not know why but one must assume it was for a good and valid reason. That reason should be communicated to everyone, least of all the patient paying fans.

[NitroWars]

robc3303 said:

Good summing up Tet, agree with what you say. If there is a decent chunk of track time left, then use it up in the agreed order. If for arguements sake, that meant in two days of qualifying one FIA class had three Q sessions and another had four, then so be it. No preferential treatments or swapping around schedules, just pragmatism is called for. The weather plays such a spoiler in Europe any dry track time at an FIA event should be used. That said, the race director must have a reason for finishing the event when he did but we do not know why but one must assume it was for a good and valid reason. That reason should be communicated to everyone, least of all the patient paying fans.

With respect, whilst it had been said over the PA that the track was licensed to 9:00pm, after the Joran fireball and then the rain (which the crew did a good job of clearing up) it was announced over the PA that they would run the remaining TF cars and then the UEM Funny Bikes, followed by Martin Hill. This is exactly what happened although I suspect a lot of people on the facility ran to their viewing positions once they had heard the first two cars fire up following the delay and expected more...