Smartphone Laptimers
Smartphone Laptimers
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therealpigdog

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2,592 posts

220 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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Going karting at the weekend and it would be interesting to be able to log my laps.

Seem to remember talk about Harry's Laptimer (which got good reviews), but any alternatives out there that provide (basic) info that might be interesting after a karting/trackday session?

Ian_sUK

734 posts

203 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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What OS?

src1971

126 posts

218 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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Sorry to hijak, but I've got the same question and I've got a blackberry....

therealpigdog

Original Poster:

2,592 posts

220 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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Ian_sUK said:
What OS?
iOS or Android

VARLEYHYD

2,244 posts

230 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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Harrys laptimer

This track config was not pre-loaded so all the data doses not show on this one.

But here's the idea

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Ian_sUK

734 posts

203 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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If Android then Racechono, Ive been using it since it was on symbian. And its free.

mikeknivett

138 posts

251 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Sorry jumping on this thread as well. I've just bought an e36 M3 Evo for trackdays today and having been out the scene for a few years was researching lap timers and video cameras and saw this re the harrys lap timer.

One question does anyone know how much memory the video uses as my iphone is only 16 gig and i'm thinking it wouldn't take long to fill it up on video and timing mode?

Also are there any other options that are good and not phone based, historically I always had a bolt on mount for my video camera to my cage and a separate timer but if I can combine the two that would be great.

GC8

19,910 posts

213 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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Ian_sUK said:
If Android then Racechono, Ive been using it since it was on symbian. And its free.
WinCE/Mobile5 too. Shame its been discontinued as it was an ideal application for my GPS enabled PDA...

shim

2,051 posts

231 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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mikeknivett said:
Sorry jumping on this thread as well. I've just bought an e36 M3 Evo for trackdays today and having been out the scene for a few years was researching lap timers and video cameras and saw this re the harrys lap timer.

One question does anyone know how much memory the video uses as my iphone is only 16 gig and i'm thinking it wouldn't take long to fill it up on video and timing mode?

Also are there any other options that are good and not phone based, historically I always had a bolt on mount for my video camera to my cage and a separate timer but if I can combine the two that would be great.
Harry's Pro is a good simple videos/data recorder HOWEVER do not trust the laptimes if you do not have an external GPS receiver as the iPhone one is not accurate enough on some tracks. I ran a Performance Box parallel some laps were 0.5s shorter on Harrys.

The videos take around 1Gb per 15 mins or so. My 16Gb iPhone was half empty for the trAckday and the video filled up the phone late afternoon. I recommend syncing off all videos and most photos and music before you go. Give yourself as much space as you can. Alternatively you can delete sessions easily that are not of interest as you come in.

GC8

19,910 posts

213 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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Timer accuracy is dictated by sampling frequency. If your GPS receiver updates every second then the timer will only be able to time to the second, and obviously, a 10Hz receiver will offer a 10th of a second resolution.

agtlaw

7,289 posts

229 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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1Hz means that it could be up to 2 seconds out per lap! and that's assuming the GPS is accurate (which it isn't without an external GPS).

shim

2,051 posts

231 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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from memory the Perf Box positions every 1/10th sec (10hz) and iphone is 1/2 sec (2 hz) at best.

What errors does this mean can exist in each?

agtlaw

7,289 posts

229 months

Sunday 28th October 2012
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the GPS accuracy isn't great without external GPS. The trace on varley's video is a good example of how bad it can be.

If the sample rate is 10hz and assuming GPS position is 100% accurate (it isn't) then it could be 0.1 seconds out at the start of the lap and another 0.1 seconds out at the end of the lap. Of course if the lap is -0.1 out at the start and +0.1 out at the end, for example, then it would be spot on.

The internal iPhone GPS works at 1 Hz so it's potentially 2 seconds a lap out! The GPS position is also quite poor without an external GPS unit and without accurate GPS positioning you're not even timing to the same point you started from.