Track/race car v5 question
Track/race car v5 question
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Robmarriott

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2,962 posts

181 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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I've found a bargain, amazing spec and the guy is selling it for money I'm more than willing to pay, however, there's no V5.

The car has been built as a race car so has a chassis number but nothing else.

I don't own a trailer so I would need the car to be road legal so I could get it to and from track days so it needs to be MOTd, obviously that's a problem without a V5, as far as I can tell.

I could get the car through a IVA test but it's got individual throttle bodies, no cat and a roll cage, so I suspect it would fail in spectacular fashion.

What can I do? Can the DVLA issue a replacement V5 from the chassis number alone? What are my options?

andyiley

12,158 posts

175 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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I am not 100% certain about this, but here is my best recollection.

When you download the V62 form to apply for a V5, you need the VIN & Reg No.

Without both I don't think you can do it.

Whether there is another means of applying for a V5, I am not sure.

Have you tried getting in touch with DVLA via their customer services number? I have always found them to be pretty helpful.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

149 months

Thursday 5th December 2013
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Robmarriott said:
I don't own a trailer so I would need the car to be road legal so I could get it to and from track days so it needs to be MOTd, obviously that's a problem without a V5, as far as I can tell.

I could get the car through a IVA test but it's got individual throttle bodies, no cat and a roll cage, so I suspect it would fail in spectacular fashion.
Never mind the IVA - are you sure it'd pass an MOT?

Masher964

183 posts

222 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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If getting a replacement V5 is as easy as filling in a couple of forms, research it, give the owner the forms and ask them to get one. If they know you are serious and they want to sell, why would they not do it? I assume no V5 means no MoT currently? Therefore you need the car to be put through an MoT test to know if it can pass.

If it is much harder than this, ask yourself whether you're willing to part with the cash and risk your chances of success? I suspect not.

Remember, just after you have bought ANY car, inevitably another car you fancy comes along a few months later. Don't risk too much if you MUST have a road legal car.

Robmarriott

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2,962 posts

181 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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TooMany2cvs said:
Robmarriott said:
I don't own a trailer so I would need the car to be road legal so I could get it to and from track days so it needs to be MOTd, obviously that's a problem without a V5, as far as I can tell.

I could get the car through a IVA test but it's got individual throttle bodies, no cat and a roll cage, so I suspect it would fail in spectacular fashion.
Never mind the IVA - are you sure it'd pass an MOT?
Anything will pass an MOT.

No problem with protruding edges on the mot like the Iva.

Robmarriott

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2,962 posts

181 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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Basically the car was built in 2009 for a fairly low end one make series, as it turns out, it's not a converted road car but was built from a brand new bare shell, hence the chassis number being there bit nothing else.

It's now not eligible for that series as it's been modified from the regulation spec to be used as a track car.

Since posting this thread, I've contacted the company who built the car and been told there never has been a v5 as it's never been registered on the road.

The guy was after 8k for the car, to build it you're looking at 15 or so, hence me trying to find a way!

Masher964

183 posts

222 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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Have you phoned the DVLA to ask for advice?

blueg33

44,616 posts

247 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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I suspect it would be cheaper to buy a trailer than get a track car through the IVA. Also useful if you have an incident on the track and the car is not driveable, with a trailer you can still get home

Henry Fiddleton

1,595 posts

200 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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I've heard people buying the same car, road wise, and pretty much scrapping it - but for vin plates and the log book.

Totally illegal, but I've heard it many times. Ringing race cars?

Never once considered doing it.

iguana

7,293 posts

283 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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Henry Fiddleton said:
I've heard people buying the same car, road wise, and pretty much scrapping it - but for vin plates and the log book.

Yip known that done a few times, as long as donor shell is scrapped who's to know?

The later point is important, lots of issues caused in old racers with 2 cars with same chassis no, particually when they become worth lots years down the line.

Robmarriott

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2,962 posts

181 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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You see, I'd have no issues there if the job was done right but the wife's brother is a copper so I think it's a bit risky...

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

149 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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Robmarriott said:
Anything will pass an MOT.
A car built in 2009, without a cat, won't.

GC8

19,910 posts

213 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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Why all the talk of IVAs? Homologated cars dont need an IVA, do they? What you really need is a VRO, but there arent any left...

jagracer

8,248 posts

259 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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TooMany2cvs said:
A car built in 2009, without a cat, won't.
A race car built in 2009 would have to have a cat fitted, it just doesn't need to do anything. The main thing I'd be checking is that the car is legit with no stolen parts on it.

Robmarriott

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2,962 posts

181 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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TooMany2cvs said:
Robmarriott said:
Anything will pass an MOT.
A car built in 2009, without a cat, won't.
It's has a cat.

That's not its major downfall really.

jagracer

8,248 posts

259 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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GC8 said:
What you really need is a VRO, but there arent any left...
There's still a few left but even for them they mostly only want to see an MOT cert which shouldn't be an issue. One question though, would the OP be liable for VAT if it's a first registration?

GC8

19,910 posts

213 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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In my experience, VAT only concerns the DVLA if its an imported car, and theyll want to see the C&E386/389.