Trackday toy £5-6k, advise?
Trackday toy £5-6k, advise?
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Mark83

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Saturday 8th December 2007
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Right I have a budget as per title.

Requirements:
1) Reliability (needs to able to survive >1000 mile trips to the Ring)
2) I don't want to be spending an excessive amount on its upkeep.
3) Plenty of spares available
4) Track tuning parts available
5) Prefer it not to be a Cat C/D
6) Tin top

As I know my Hondas (tracked my old EP3 CTR alot in my 2 years of ownership) I'm almost certain that a DC2 Integra Type R fits my requirements but I'm open to suggestions from you lot, any other suggestions?...



MrFlibbles

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tertius

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Saturday 8th December 2007
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Porsche 944 S2

Mark83

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tertius said:
Porsche 944 S2
Reliable?

I can see a car like this turning into a money pit.

Mark83

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Just to add I'm 24 so take that into account for insurance.

mgv8dave

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Saturday 8th December 2007
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Mark83 said:
Just to add I'm 24 so take that into account for insurance.
Ouch ........Get a Classic mini and drop a 1440cc in to it you may still get a good deal on the insurance through a specialist

Mark83

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mgv8dave said:
Mark83 said:
Just to add I'm 24 so take that into account for insurance.
Ouch ........Get a Classic mini and drop a 1440cc in to it you may still get a good deal on the insurance through a specialist
Getting quotes of circa £700 with mainstream companies for the DC2, not tried specialists yet. However I pay that on my 300bhp 1 year old Focus ST that does treble the annual mileage and worth 3 times as much, insurance companies do confuse me!

Nurburgsingh

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Saturday 8th December 2007
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I've got a Seat Cordoba SX 2.0 16V P-reg 52,000 miles For sale

The Córdoba SX is a two-door coupé version of a Mk3 VW Polo. The 2.0 16v 150 bhp (112 kW) engine is identical to the that in the MK3 Golf GTi, 280 mm (11 in) front discs, ABS, traction control and air con. Electric windows and a Toad Cat 1 alarm.

This particular version is one of four UK importer modified cars & was fitted from new with a full cage, and with no interior other than race seats. Fitted with adjustable Koni suspension (two years old), harnesses & a totally stripped interior.

It was used as a car to learn the Nordschleife. it's a tame but brisk car and has served us very well & without fault for the past two years. We're moving to something quicker hence the sale. From the pics you'll see that it can more than hold it's own against 911's & M6's (OK maybe they're not driven with quite the conviction the Seat is), but it's no slouch.
Running costs are pretty low as it's mainly Polo Mk3 & Golf Mk3 based - as it's quite light it's very easy on brakes & tyres, engine uses no oil, cam belt replaced last year.

Pics here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/N24Rassen/Cordoba

£5,500 ono.

PM me for more details.

Edited by Nurburgsingh on Sunday 9th December 13:47

graememac

655 posts

227 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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honda integra type r. Quick, goes stops and handles like a racer and reliable.
front wheel drive but oversteers on demand!

anonymous-user

77 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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MX5 with a hardtop? Sorry, I'll get my coat...

tertius

6,914 posts

253 months

Saturday 8th December 2007
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Mark83 said:
tertius said:
Porsche 944 S2
Reliable?

I can see a car like this turning into a money pit.
Bullet proof.

But to be fair any track car is going to need more maintenance than a pure road car, and accordingly cost more - but Porsches are built for it, and its going to need way less maintenance than many cars.

Its also a brilliant handling car and ridiculously cheap for what you get.

Birdthom

790 posts

248 months

Sunday 9th December 2007
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If you're going to be heading to the ring all the time then maybe a mk2 golf or e30 beemer? Wouldn't be my choice if you were just sticking to the UK, but your budget would get you something very good with cash to spare, they're bulletproof and pretty cheap to run. Not the fastest thing out there, but they go OK and that doesn't really matter at the ring anyway. Most ring regulars looking for cheap wheels seem to go for something German just so they can get parts easily when they're over there, so these two might be a good choice irrespective of how good/bad they are on track.

Put it this way, when you knacker your pads late on a saturday afternoon half way through a four day trip would you rather being phoning round local german suppliers saying you've got an integra or a mk2 golf?

WEREWOLF

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253 months

Sunday 9th December 2007
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thought the ring would be great place to let your 300bhp focus stretch it`s legs.

Mark83

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WEREWOLF said:
thought the ring would be great place to let your 300bhp focus stretch it`s legs.
To be honest thats the only track my Focus ST goes well on. Lapping consistantly around 9 mins with traffic on a tourist day now. However I don't really want to 'bend' my everyday car there.

On UK tracks though it suffers with lack of traction in 2nd/3rd gear corners, easily spinning the inside wheel at chicanes. I can't really justify spending £1000 on a Quaife ATB diff on a car that'll most likely sell in July when I'm 25.

MrFlibbles

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Sunday 9th December 2007
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Birdthom said:
Put it this way, when you knacker your pads late on a saturday afternoon half way through a four day trip would you rather being phoning round local german suppliers saying you've got an integra or a mk2 golf?
You'd speak to the wonderful Micheala at The Blau ecke in Adenau - who'd find your "local" Honda dealer, arrange it all and get it booked in for the next morning biggrin


Mark83

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Sunday 9th December 2007
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MrFlibbles said:
Birdthom said:
Put it this way, when you knacker your pads late on a saturday afternoon half way through a four day trip would you rather being phoning round local german suppliers saying you've got an integra or a mk2 golf?
You'd speak to the wonderful Micheala at The Blau ecke in Adenau - who'd find your "local" Honda dealer, arrange it all and get it booked in for the next morning biggrin
She's great isn't she, stayed there twice this summer. She kept plying us with Jagermeister, I woke up at 3pm the next day!

sniff petrol

13,124 posts

235 months

Sunday 9th December 2007
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If it were me, I'd spend

-£3000 on an old Transit or similar
-£1000 on a decent trailer
-£2000 on an old E30/36 or even an Mi16 engined 205.

The van and trailer will pay for their running costs themselves and you won't have to insure/tax/MOT your trackcar. With having a cheaper car for which spares are plentifull you will have more care-free fun IMO, and you can strip it and tune it more extremely if you don't have to worry about weather your mods will affect the roadworthyness. Vans tow better than even good cars in my experience (must be due to the stiffer rear shocks and shorter rear overhang), plus you can rig up a bed in the back and have plenty of space for tools/spares/wheels + tyres etc. A van will cost a lot less for you to insure than a quick car, plus you'll become very popular amongst your mates who will want to borrow it all the time!

Just my 2p's worth. Keep us posted with whatever you end up with.

Mark83

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sniff petrol said:
If it were me, I'd spend

-£3000 on an old Transit or similar
-£1000 on a decent trailer
-£2000 on an old E30/36 or even an Mi16 engined 205.

The van and trailer will pay for their running costs themselves and you won't have to insure/tax/MOT your trackcar. With having a cheaper car for which spares are plentifull you will have more care-free fun IMO, and you can strip it and tune it more extremely if you don't have to worry about weather your mods will affect the roadworthyness. Vans tow better than even good cars in my experience (must be due to the stiffer rear shocks and shorter rear overhang), plus you can rig up a bed in the back and have plenty of space for tools/spares/wheels + tyres etc. A van will cost a lot less for you to insure than a quick car, plus you'll become very popular amongst your mates who will want to borrow it all the time!

Just my 2p's worth. Keep us posted with whatever you end up with.
I knew that Brian James trailers brochure I picked up at the motor show would come in handy.

You've given me something to thing about, thanks.

MrFlibbles

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306 months

Sunday 9th December 2007
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sniff petrol said:
The van and trailer will pay for their running costs themselves and you won't have to insure/tax/MOT your trackcar.
I would assume that for the "touristenfahrten" sessions, the car had to be completely road legal?

anonymous-user

77 months

Sunday 9th December 2007
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Yep, touristenfahrten is a public road so car needs to be 100% road legal (arguably even more so given the discussions about Tuev approval recently), taxed, MOTd and insured.