What timing do you use?
Discussion
HI all.
I have been karting for a few years now and I have used a variety of timing systems from taping a stopwatch to my steering wheel to my current wheel mounted mychron system that records lap times via a magnetic strip on track.
I guess on track days and test days most people are unable to time themselves as they are sawing at the wheel as they say.
Do you ever use friends tackside to take a few laptimes for you , and do they time other rivals if its a practice day or test day or other cars if its a trackday just to see how you are doing?
I have been karting for a few years now and I have used a variety of timing systems from taping a stopwatch to my steering wheel to my current wheel mounted mychron system that records lap times via a magnetic strip on track.
I guess on track days and test days most people are unable to time themselves as they are sawing at the wheel as they say.
Do you ever use friends tackside to take a few laptimes for you , and do they time other rivals if its a practice day or test day or other cars if its a trackday just to see how you are doing?
FYI,
Any form of timing is banned on trackdays as it invalidates the insurance.
If you are found with a beacon on the pit wall, it would be confiscated.
Anybody on the pit wall seen to be timing with a stopwatch or phone, would be asked to stop.
Obviously test days you can do what you like.
Scotty.
Any form of timing is banned on trackdays as it invalidates the insurance.
If you are found with a beacon on the pit wall, it would be confiscated.
Anybody on the pit wall seen to be timing with a stopwatch or phone, would be asked to stop.
Obviously test days you can do what you like.
Scotty.
As Scott said, Timing is strictly forbidden on trackdays and most organisers will black flag you, remove your wristband and kick you off the day. Your product is well suited for use on testdays and may be more appropriate to research in the General Motorsport forum.
Edited by Maxx on Sunday 16th December 11:59
I had heard that. I have done lots of tracktime in karts and obviously timing is absolutely important then and not frowned on at all.
I have only done one track day in a car other than the five driving scholarships I have entered.(made the semi finals in all of them)
cheers guys.
I guess it is however relevant to driver training , test days , practice and even owner driving practising in karts when the circuits transponder system is not in use.
I will post up in General Motorsport. Thanks
I have only done one track day in a car other than the five driving scholarships I have entered.(made the semi finals in all of them)
cheers guys.
I guess it is however relevant to driver training , test days , practice and even owner driving practising in karts when the circuits transponder system is not in use.
I will post up in General Motorsport. Thanks
Thinking about it its a shame trackday times aren't monitored. I guess its to stop people pushing harder and harder but to me as a racer i really can't see the point of going on track and then not knowing at the end of it what my times were. I guess its more a problem with novices.
Even though I have been on track around Donnington and timed being timed really had no bearing on wether I was going to throw myself off or not.
With experience you know your baseline and just nibble away at it.
I guess if someone was sat out on the spectator bankings with a timer they would be unlikely to be questioned. They could argue they were just amusing themselves...
Even though I have been on track around Donnington and timed being timed really had no bearing on wether I was going to throw myself off or not.
With experience you know your baseline and just nibble away at it.
I guess if someone was sat out on the spectator bankings with a timer they would be unlikely to be questioned. They could argue they were just amusing themselves...
I guess with videos and GPS systems etc etc most people are secretly timing themsleves anyway.
I don't know why they should have an anti timing rule to be honest as most people will be chasing the car ahead or the one that has just passed them surely so where does the legality of the timing come in.
Or is it to do with invalidating your insurance by the arcane legislature.
Oh chase that GT3 down craner by all means but bloody hell if I see you with a stopwatch....
I don't know why they should have an anti timing rule to be honest as most people will be chasing the car ahead or the one that has just passed them surely so where does the legality of the timing come in.
Or is it to do with invalidating your insurance by the arcane legislature.
Oh chase that GT3 down craner by all means but bloody hell if I see you with a stopwatch....
It is an insurance thing but I can see the point. I'm sure some drivers would still drive competently and safely (as much as they ever did) even if timing BUT there will also be some who, having nailed the first half of the lap and come across a slower car towards the end would take a chance that they wouldn't have if not timing.
It's for [u]YOUR[/u] safety, would you really like to be on track with someone with this mentality. Don't forget, if he dives down the inside of you under braking and you turn in on him, damaging your car, you have no redress. Of course it could be much worse and result in injury or .. well, lets not even go there.
Also, many trackday driver equate going faster with braking later and such and are therefore much more likely to stick it in the gravel, red flag, everyone off track, delays etc.
And I think the assumption that it's just novices is a bit of an insult to novices, being a complete berk on a trackday has no relation to how many trackdays you've done.
Seriously though, timing is not allowed at trackdays, so it shouldn't be done under any circumstances. If you cant see the point of doing a trackday if you can't time then simply don't do trackdays, do test days where timing is allowed.
There is a difference between Video/None-Display Data Loggers and other direct means of timing [i.e. stopwatch]. Yes, you can get your video home or your log files and effectively get times from them but when directly timing during the day (i.e. you are able to check your laptimes either on-track or after a session) it is this that can lead to what I describe above.
It's for [u]YOUR[/u] safety, would you really like to be on track with someone with this mentality. Don't forget, if he dives down the inside of you under braking and you turn in on him, damaging your car, you have no redress. Of course it could be much worse and result in injury or .. well, lets not even go there.
Also, many trackday driver equate going faster with braking later and such and are therefore much more likely to stick it in the gravel, red flag, everyone off track, delays etc.
mark69sheer said:
as a racer i really can't see the point of going on track and then not knowing at the end of it what my times were. I guess its more a problem with novices.
I'd counter that and say why the hell would you want to know your times? what is in it for you?And I think the assumption that it's just novices is a bit of an insult to novices, being a complete berk on a trackday has no relation to how many trackdays you've done.
Seriously though, timing is not allowed at trackdays, so it shouldn't be done under any circumstances. If you cant see the point of doing a trackday if you can't time then simply don't do trackdays, do test days where timing is allowed.
There is a difference between Video/None-Display Data Loggers and other direct means of timing [i.e. stopwatch]. Yes, you can get your video home or your log files and effectively get times from them but when directly timing during the day (i.e. you are able to check your laptimes either on-track or after a session) it is this that can lead to what I describe above.
Edited by Maxx on Monday 17th December 13:49
no point in timing on a track day you will just spoil the fun for everyone if the insurance cover
is blown.All because you wanted to know you lap time
i have the aproach that i will either be passed or not be passed and generally it is the latter.
However i did pass a Gt3 on my last track day but he was just going in to the pits if that counts
is blown.All because you wanted to know you lap time
i have the aproach that i will either be passed or not be passed and generally it is the latter.
However i did pass a Gt3 on my last track day but he was just going in to the pits if that counts
Nurburgsingh said:
I've just taken a look at your profile....
and I cant help thinking that your post is nothing but a loaded question in order to push your own product...
...very poor show!!
Mmmm.... and I cant help thinking that your post is nothing but a loaded question in order to push your own product...
...very poor show!!
Mark, could you also remove the PH logo from within your website. You're using it as if it's endorsing your product. Please seek permission before using our logos.
PetrolTed said:
Nurburgsingh said:
I've just taken a look at your profile....
and I cant help thinking that your post is nothing but a loaded question in order to push your own product...
...very poor show!!
Mmmm.... and I cant help thinking that your post is nothing but a loaded question in order to push your own product...
...very poor show!!
Mark, could you also remove the PH logo from within your website. You're using it as if it's endorsing your product. Please seek permission before using our logos.
Other people could always point out, also on their web site, that timing on trackdays invalidates insurance and could ruin it for the rest of us!
Hi all,
My sincerest apologies.
Piston heads link duly removed.
I have not explained myself very well as some people think I am pushing a company here.I am not The software was written by myself as a hobby . I do not endorse anyone breaking trackday rules regarding timing.
Of course it could be used for practice and test days or even karting perfectly legitimately.
This is my last post on this subject unless just involved in general banter.
apologies again.
Mark
My sincerest apologies.
Piston heads link duly removed.
I have not explained myself very well as some people think I am pushing a company here.I am not The software was written by myself as a hobby . I do not endorse anyone breaking trackday rules regarding timing.
Of course it could be used for practice and test days or even karting perfectly legitimately.
This is my last post on this subject unless just involved in general banter.
apologies again.
Mark
custardtart said:
If you click on the FAQ section of their website they have a handy "Guestbook" section where you can post any comments you like! You could always go onto their web site and leave a message informing people that they have used your logo without your permission and you don't endorse their product.
Other people could always point out, also on their web site, that timing on trackdays invalidates insurance and could ruin it for the rest of us!
Thank you Custardtart. It seems you are slightly mislead by the website as there is no 'Their' It is not a company or an organisation just something I have done in my free time as a hobby.Other people could always point out, also on their web site, that timing on trackdays invalidates insurance and could ruin it for the rest of us!
I will however add a note to the effect that permission must be sought when using timing for trackdays. Regards Mark
I think it is really foolish to be talking about, and setting up a website intimating that this is a product for timing trackdays.
Trackday organisers are increasingly put under pressure by insurance companies. If the insurance companies get the notion that timing is taking place, then the organisers will face more pressure, higher premiums etc.
As someone else said, this can ruin it for the rest of us.
Trackday organisers are increasingly put under pressure by insurance companies. If the insurance companies get the notion that timing is taking place, then the organisers will face more pressure, higher premiums etc.
As someone else said, this can ruin it for the rest of us.
Thanks all for your input.
TIMING IS NOT FOR TRACKDAYS.
I understand now. cheers.
Allthough I feel a little like a ragdoll after an encounter with a Rottwieler...
you live and learn..
All trackday references now removed from website. cheers..
TIMING IS NOT FOR TRACKDAYS.
I understand now. cheers.
Allthough I feel a little like a ragdoll after an encounter with a Rottwieler...
you live and learn..
All trackday references now removed from website. cheers..
Edited by mark69sheer on Tuesday 18th December 14:15
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