Nurburgring question..?
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Who can help me out here..
We see lots of 'my car did the ring in'... xyx times.. then we read the times for the GT2's, TT's, GTR's.. some CSL's being quicker than a GTR... etc,etc..
My guess is that everybody is not using the same the same start and finish point.., or stopping their watches 10 secs before they go past where they started..!
So where are the generally accepted start and finish points..?
for reference times..?
We see lots of 'my car did the ring in'... xyx times.. then we read the times for the GT2's, TT's, GTR's.. some CSL's being quicker than a GTR... etc,etc..
My guess is that everybody is not using the same the same start and finish point.., or stopping their watches 10 secs before they go past where they started..!
So where are the generally accepted start and finish points..?
for reference times..?Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Saturday 17th October 09:46
Bridge to gantry on TF days is fairly self explanatory as you can't run the full length of the Dottinger Hohe straight.
Most 'full' laps (and the measure that most manufacturers and Sport Auto uses) in fact exclude a 150m section of the track by the industry pool entrance. This is for two key reasons. The first is that there is an unoffiial speed limit on industry pool days on this section, to prevent cars exiting the pit being hammered by another vehicle that's right on the raggedy edge. The other reason is so that when the track is configured to also include the GP circuit, manufacturers and racing teams can still achieve broadly comparable data.
20.832km is the acknowledged distance for this 'full' lap.
Most 'full' laps (and the measure that most manufacturers and Sport Auto uses) in fact exclude a 150m section of the track by the industry pool entrance. This is for two key reasons. The first is that there is an unoffiial speed limit on industry pool days on this section, to prevent cars exiting the pit being hammered by another vehicle that's right on the raggedy edge. The other reason is so that when the track is configured to also include the GP circuit, manufacturers and racing teams can still achieve broadly comparable data.
20.832km is the acknowledged distance for this 'full' lap.
As above,good answer!
Just to add the bridge you time from on tourist days is the bilstein advertised one you see as soon as you enter the track & not the gantrys or start lines at t13 & the gantry your time finishes at is the Audi sponsered one on the final dottinger hohe straight.
When you watch the official lap records it is a bit confusing when the cars don't finish where they start!
Just to add the bridge you time from on tourist days is the bilstein advertised one you see as soon as you enter the track & not the gantrys or start lines at t13 & the gantry your time finishes at is the Audi sponsered one on the final dottinger hohe straight.
When you watch the official lap records it is a bit confusing when the cars don't finish where they start!
If you run race chrono- free & available on net for most phones- just need a cheapy gps reciever for it, & can view full traces on yr pc later, then the btg split is built in if you choose btg option for ring & then no fudging with stopwatches or vids that can be doctored...
Is a great set up, is bettered by perfomance box tho thats rather more pricy.
Is a great set up, is bettered by perfomance box tho thats rather more pricy.
I use a standard issue stopwatch taped to the dashboard. At the end of the day my times aren't that impressive so I'm not worried about whether anyone believes them or not. I'm timing myself to see if I've got better at it.
And half the time your best run will be ruined half way through because of coming up behind a Honda Gold Wing in one of the twisting bits or (more likely) a tatty 3 series on it's roof.
And half the time your best run will be ruined half way through because of coming up behind a Honda Gold Wing in one of the twisting bits or (more likely) a tatty 3 series on it's roof.
iguana said:
If you run race chrono- free & available on net for most phones- just need a cheapy gps reciever for it, & can view full traces on yr pc later, then the btg split is built in if you choose btg option for ring & then no fudging with stopwatches or vids that can be doctored...
Is a great set up, is bettered by perfomance box tho thats rather more pricy.
Is a great set up, is bettered by perfomance box tho thats rather more pricy.
Very good software.Mound Dawg said:
I use a standard issue stopwatch taped to the dashboard. At the end of the day my times aren't that impressive so I'm not worried about whether anyone believes them or not. I'm timing myself to see if I've got better at it.
And half the time your best run will be ruined half way through because of coming up behind a Honda Gold Wing in one of the twisting bits or (more likely) a tatty 3 series on it's roof.
whatever you do, if you crash throw the stopwatch in the nearest bush as the local plid would crucify you. Theres plenty of warnings on timing.And half the time your best run will be ruined half way through because of coming up behind a Honda Gold Wing in one of the twisting bits or (more likely) a tatty 3 series on it's roof.
Video then watch it in the comfort of your own home. Also you can't make it up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XEQTfpAEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XEQTfpAEE
Hugo a Gogo said:
same laws as the uk, preventing 'racing on the roads' etc. timing devices would be evidence for the prosecution
the ring is still a road and still subject to the STVO rules of the road
Also although it is subject to normal traffic law it is also *owned* by Nurburgring GmbH and they can apply whatever rules they like as a condition of participation.the ring is still a road and still subject to the STVO rules of the road
tertius said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
same laws as the uk, preventing 'racing on the roads' etc. timing devices would be evidence for the prosecution
the ring is still a road and still subject to the STVO rules of the road
Also although it is subject to normal traffic law it is also *owned* by Nurburgring GmbH and they can apply whatever rules they like as a condition of participation.the ring is still a road and still subject to the STVO rules of the road
mgv8dave said:
Video then watch it in the comfort of your own home. Also you can't make it up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XEQTfpAEE
Why would anyone want to watch a lap that slow Dave?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4XEQTfpAEE
ridds said:
iguana said:
If you run race chrono- free & available on net for most phones- just need a cheapy gps reciever for it, & can view full traces on yr pc later, then the btg split is built in if you choose btg option for ring & then no fudging with stopwatches or vids that can be doctored...
Is a great set up, is bettered by perfomance box tho thats rather more pricy.
Is a great set up, is bettered by perfomance box tho thats rather more pricy.
Very good software.I have an N86 & use bluetooth GPS to make sure i dont lose signal from the internal GPS.
After doing only 36 laps in 5 trips i did manage a B to G time of 9m 11s in my Ep3 Civic type r.
Id recommend the place to anyone who is a petrolhead
Ross
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