Noise limit at Nurburgring

[Crippo]

I have followed a link to a website that says random noise testing is carried out. The limit is 95db static, my car produces 99db. How random is the test as the Ring is a major objective for me this year. My car is Fury Kit car with a 2L Cossie engine straight through exhausdt with Wunoff back box. I genuinely dont think it sounds noisey, it has a slightly basey rumble but everyone that hears it thinks its quite quiet. It is certainly pretty quiet compared to any boy racer wagons. Do any of th emore experienced Ring goers see any problems?
Opinions welcomed.
Thanks

[mmm-five]

Is that on the GP Strecke or the Nordschleife, as I've heard some VERY loud cars there in the past.

[Crippo]

Nordschleiffe

[TheEnd]

It's normally the bikes that get tested if any, i've never seen a car tested, but something like what you describe might attract more attention.

If you can get hold of one of those track day moderator things you shove up the tailpipe, it'd be a good insurance policy, otherwise, idle through bold as brass before giving it some.

Marshals still might radio through but they aren't always the vindictive type.

It'd be a shame to get picked up on your first lap, and then recognised for the rest of the trip.

[mmm-five]

Unless that EDO Porsche has a baffle system that he can switch over once he's past noise testing, then there's no way he's below 95.

I don't need mirrors to know when he's coming, I can hear him 3 corners away

[Munter]

If I were you my plan would be.

Don't rev it in the car park/up to the barriers and you should be fine.

To be sure get on at Breidscheid rather than the main entrance and then for more laps go through the barrier on the track rather than coming off again...

[touching cloth]

I have been tested and told to bugger off but was running 116db according to their meter, pretty sure they said official 95 but in practice they are lenient upto 100, over that and they start to get more strict. As said, don't rev it in the car park or on approach and you will have no probs I am sure at 99dbs.............I was also part of a group all of who arrived with raf roundels on our doors, in hindsight that mightn't have helped our case!!

[Crippo]

Thanks for the replies.
Glad you told me about the RAF roundells as I was also thinking of painting 5x Luftwaffe Crosses on the drivers side....(its 5 confirmed for Ace status)

If I fore-go the patriotic artistry and I play it light with the right foot in the car park I reckon I'll slip through right under the radar

[flemke]

Munter said:

If I were you my plan would be.

Don't rev it in the car park/up to the barriers and you should be fine.

To be sure get on at Breidscheid rather than the main entrance and then for more laps go through the barrier on the track rather than coming off again...

Barrier on track (Dottinger Hohe) normally in operation only at busy times; other times you do have to come off at Grune Holle and go through fixed barriers/ past marshals.

I too have been turned away for noise, and that was for 101dB. That was on a Sunday morning - there is a lot of variability in when they bother testing. It is my distinct impression that they test in order to satisfy the local authority, not because they want to keep cars off the circuit. A few times a year they seem to go through the exercise of being worried about noise. It's not a constant concern.
Having said that, things could change. The boss of Nurburgring GmbH was sacked a couple of months ago, and it's not clear in what direction things will go. On the one hand, they have put themselves in a deep financial hole with the ludicrous "destination" folly, so they'll be doing everything they can to bring in money, which would include encouraging tourist driving. On the other hand, if Kafitz's successor were to turn out to be even worse than he was...

[GC8]

flemke said:

I too have been turned away for noise, and that was for 101dB. That was on a Sunday morning - there is a lot of variability in when they bother testing. It is my distinct impression that they test in order to satisfy the local authority, not because they want to keep cars off the circuit.

Definitely. They company needs to be seen to be addressing the issue. This explains why people who draw attention to themselves in the carparks and on approach to the barrier get tested; where an equally loud vehicle will pass unhindered.

[pjlfc]

When I was there last year a V8 Lotus got kicked off(very loud..you could hear it in Herschbroich!!) and a Desmocedici wasn't allowed on either(they were busy trying to stuff wire wool,bean cans,small dogs and children up the exhaust to quieten it down...!!!).
If you're being a tit when you're pulling upto the barriers and the exhaust's a little fruity,you'll probably get bounced.
Got overtaken a couple of years back by a Porsche Carrera GT on the run upto Fluplatz,I saw it coming up behind me and knew what to expect,but it still put the sts up me as it went past!!
Same car overtook a mate on his Bandit,he didn't see it coming and nearly fell off when it screamed past him!

It helps when the Edo and Carrera are German plated though!

PJ

[terryb]

LOL - anyone that expect fair treatment at the Ring when you have RAF roundels or any other World War related graphics must be a living in cloud cuckoo land....

If I was running a trackday in the UK and we had a punter on german plates with swasticka stickers on it I would do my damned best to stop it from running.

Have some sympathy towards the staff at the Ring who probably lost grandparents and family in the war.

[Crippo]

I never rev the nuts off the car, even on UK track days I explain that the limit is 6K and they usually test me at 4.5k rpm. I intend to be the grey man, so I wont even try hiding a video camera in the grill either, I shall give them as little opportunity as possible for eliminating me from the Nurburgring experience.

[DiscoColin]

terryb said:

LOL - anyone that expect fair treatment at the Ring when you have RAF roundels or any other World War related graphics must be a living in cloud cuckoo land....

If I was running a trackday in the UK and we had a punter on german plates with swasticka stickers on it I would do my damned best to stop it from running.

Have some sympathy towards the staff at the Ring who probably lost grandparents and family in the war.

Not quite fair. The equivalent would not be swastikas, but Luftwaffe crosses (as still used). If a german car on German plates rocked up at a track day in the UK with standard German airforce markings then I personally would interpret it as the sense of humour that we so often accuse them of not having rather than dredging up history. And if someone was running RAF roundels on the same day I would be desperate to get a picture of them together on track.

<serious bit>Please don't get me wrong as I probably get at least as hung up on the importance or remembrance as I am sure you do, but I also feel that the 4th series of Blackadder was right - humour can still have a place in the context of tragedy without dishonouring the memory.</serious bit>

I do agree with you that Swastikas would be too poor taste, but to be honest they probably wouldn't make it out of Germany in one piece driving something so adorned. Indeed - they really do have laws over there against such things.

[Adenauer]

Just a heads up to you all. Noise limits are going to be taken VERY seriously at the ring this year.

Edited by Adenauer on Monday 11th January 10:30

[fergus]

Adenauer said:

Just a heads up to you all. Noise limits are going to be taken VERY seriously at the ring this year.

Karl

How do they conduct their noise test? Is it at x revs for all cars, or 3/4 max rpm? chrs.

[Adenauer]

fergus said:

Adenauer said:

Just a heads up to you all. Noise limits are going to be taken VERY seriously at the ring this year.

Karl

How do they conduct their noise test? Is it at x revs for all cars, or 3/4 max rpm? chrs.

4000rpm as a rule, but it's not consistant. However, the ring are now under severe pressure to ensure the noise levels are adhered to, otherwise it's goodnight Vienna.

YHPM

[flemke]

Adenauer said:

fergus said:

Adenauer said:

Just a heads up to you all. Noise limits are going to be taken VERY seriously at the ring this year.

Karl

How do they conduct their noise test? Is it at x revs for all cars, or 3/4 max rpm? chrs.

4000rpm as a rule, but it's not consistant. However, the ring are now under severe pressure to ensure the noise levels are adhered to, otherwise it's goodnight Vienna.

YHPM

Odd, considering that they are also under enormous pressure to maximise revenue.
I wonder how much of whatever they have been saying has been politically-motivated PR?

[madbadger]

flemke said:

Adenauer said:

fergus said:

Adenauer said:

Just a heads up to you all. Noise limits are going to be taken VERY seriously at the ring this year.

Karl

How do they conduct their noise test? Is it at x revs for all cars, or 3/4 max rpm? chrs.

4000rpm as a rule, but it's not consistant. However, the ring are now under severe pressure to ensure the noise levels are adhered to, otherwise it's goodnight Vienna.

YHPM

Odd, considering that they are also under enormous pressure to maximise revenue.
I wonder how much of whatever they have been saying has been politically-motivated PR?

So the limit is the previously mentioned 95db at 4000rpm? If that is the case and is strictly enforced then the revenue will drop to about zero.

[flemke]

madbadger said:

flemke said:

Adenauer said:

fergus said:

Adenauer said:

Just a heads up to you all. Noise limits are going to be taken VERY seriously at the ring this year.

Karl

How do they conduct their noise test? Is it at x revs for all cars, or 3/4 max rpm? chrs.

4000rpm as a rule, but it's not consistant. However, the ring are now under severe pressure to ensure the noise levels are adhered to, otherwise it's goodnight Vienna.

YHPM

Odd, considering that they are also under enormous pressure to maximise revenue.
I wonder how much of whatever they have been saying has been politically-motivated PR?

So the limit is the previously mentioned 95db at 4000rpm? If that is the case and is strictly enforced then the revenue will drop to about zero.

The last I looked, on the sign it said that they had another 5dB of discretion.