Nurburgring July/August 2010
Discussion
So as the title suggests a few friends and I are planning on heading over to the Nurburgring in late July early August.
We are taking the following cars;
Renault Clio Sport - 172
Honda Civic 1.6 Vtec Sport
Honda Integra Type R
Volvo C30 R Design
Lotus Elise S1 - Maybe
So I was wondering if any of you have done it if you have any words of wisdom and more to the point was wondering whether there was an organised PH tour that we could jump on the back of?
Some people say you need to change tyres and brakes whilst you are there but that has never been true of any other track days I have done and we were only planning on doing 3 or 4 laps per car.
What do you recon then?
Does anyone fancy it.
We will start in Bedfordshire!
We are taking the following cars;
Renault Clio Sport - 172
Honda Civic 1.6 Vtec Sport
Honda Integra Type R
Volvo C30 R Design
Lotus Elise S1 - Maybe
So I was wondering if any of you have done it if you have any words of wisdom and more to the point was wondering whether there was an organised PH tour that we could jump on the back of?
Some people say you need to change tyres and brakes whilst you are there but that has never been true of any other track days I have done and we were only planning on doing 3 or 4 laps per car.
What do you recon then?
Does anyone fancy it.
We will start in Bedfordshire!
I would check out Northloop.co.uk for any organised trips and general advice, Ben Lovejoy's site is always worth a read.
I would not plan on doing more than 2 laps back to back, if you have tracked the cars before and the brakes hold up, they should be fine for the 'Ring, it is power circuit not a braking circuit.
For those that are more daunted by the place, try and make friends with some other Brits, perhaps they will give you a passenger ride?
And, for what it is worth I would check your car insurance policies very carefully.
I would not plan on doing more than 2 laps back to back, if you have tracked the cars before and the brakes hold up, they should be fine for the 'Ring, it is power circuit not a braking circuit.
For those that are more daunted by the place, try and make friends with some other Brits, perhaps they will give you a passenger ride?
And, for what it is worth I would check your car insurance policies very carefully.
D18OCK said:
I have asked for a quote but I have no idea how much it will cost!
It counts as a track day according to most websites because its private and its a track! What would you suggest it is?
I would suggest that it's a one way toll road with limited speed restrictions upon which German road law applies. If it were a trackday there wouldn't be cars, buses, and motorbikes on it all at the same time It counts as a track day according to most websites because its private and its a track! What would you suggest it is?
Unless of course you're actually driving it on an organised private track day, but that's not the impression I got
Hence the reason why insurance is so important, if you mow down a biker and you're not properly covered, you could be in for a very nasty surprise.
Yes I'm joking of course!
All I am saying is as far as I can tell there are two types of insurance which are normal insurance and track day cover so surely what is most appropriate is track day insurance?
Have you done it then? I know you used to be able to buy a lap package and split it between all the cars you take can you still do that?
All I am saying is as far as I can tell there are two types of insurance which are normal insurance and track day cover so surely what is most appropriate is track day insurance?
Have you done it then? I know you used to be able to buy a lap package and split it between all the cars you take can you still do that?
I live here, have a look at my profile, yes, I think you could say that I've done it
It ISN'T a track day, trust me. Your standard insurance may well cover you, it also may well exclude the ring, that's what you need to find out. Strictly speaking you should be covered by your third party policy, but it's worth making sure, just in case.
It ISN'T a track day, trust me. Your standard insurance may well cover you, it also may well exclude the ring, that's what you need to find out. Strictly speaking you should be covered by your third party policy, but it's worth making sure, just in case.
Bugger, well you really need to get that side of things sorted. It's a horribly grey area, as normal German traffic law applies during Touristenfahrt, and your insurance is legally obliged to cough up should something go wrong, but if it specifically excludes the ring you may have a fight on your hands.
I'd be inclined to get extra cover, I can't say where from, sorry, but maybe someone else can?
Oh and the ticket thing, is just roll up, buy let's say an 8 lap ticket, and you can share it between you, but not all on the same lap or you'll clog up the queue at the barriers.
I'd be inclined to get extra cover, I can't say where from, sorry, but maybe someone else can?
Oh and the ticket thing, is just roll up, buy let's say an 8 lap ticket, and you can share it between you, but not all on the same lap or you'll clog up the queue at the barriers.
The plan with thte ticket was just to go round one at a time using the same ticket each time we go out!
Ill ring and speak to my insurance company before I go, I want to make sure I'm covered in case I have to pay the £1000 closure fee or anything else!
Were not planning on steaming it round - just want to drive so I can say I have done it really!
Ill ring and speak to my insurance company before I go, I want to make sure I'm covered in case I have to pay the £1000 closure fee or anything else!
Were not planning on steaming it round - just want to drive so I can say I have done it really!
There's plenty of info on ring insurance on the internet - even a very lengthy thread on ph. Trackday cover - from the likes of MORIS or CCI will definitely not cover TF and it's usually first party cover only anyway.
If your insurance excludes it, you need to change your insurer. It's becoming much more common for UK insurers to exclude the ring explicitly. They might also try to rely on other wording related to race tracks etc... The only thing you can do is to examine policy wording very carefully. If there's no exclusions, you may be OK - I have one friend who had a claim settled 3 or 4 years ago. I know another chap who had a crash last year, and his insurers are coming after him for the total costs of the accident which could bankrupt him.
If you're very lucky you might find someone who will provided you with cover that explicitly includes the 'ring for TF days. Some people have this, but won't be very forthcoming with names as the view is that the more people who ask, the more likely that insurers will stop providing this cover. Your other option is to drive over there & rent a car - from RSR, rent4ring etc.. These all have sizeable excesses, but at least they are limited & not open ended 3rd part liabilities.
If your insurance excludes it, you need to change your insurer. It's becoming much more common for UK insurers to exclude the ring explicitly. They might also try to rely on other wording related to race tracks etc... The only thing you can do is to examine policy wording very carefully. If there's no exclusions, you may be OK - I have one friend who had a claim settled 3 or 4 years ago. I know another chap who had a crash last year, and his insurers are coming after him for the total costs of the accident which could bankrupt him.
If you're very lucky you might find someone who will provided you with cover that explicitly includes the 'ring for TF days. Some people have this, but won't be very forthcoming with names as the view is that the more people who ask, the more likely that insurers will stop providing this cover. Your other option is to drive over there & rent a car - from RSR, rent4ring etc.. These all have sizeable excesses, but at least they are limited & not open ended 3rd part liabilities.
Good luck with the trip, I'm heading back in late June.
With regards to prepping cars, I was always told that the nurburgring is much easier on tyres and brakes than other tracks, I would just insure that everything is in good condition prior to leaving. I have only been once and never learnt it well enough to even remotely push the car, I'd generally expect to see a lot more wear on a trackday where you have a chance to learn the track and start to push the car.
Insurance seams to be a very grey area, As I understand it you are required to have insurance as the Germans see it as a public road and therefore all obligations you'd have on any road still apply thats not limited to crashing but dropping fluids as well. At the moment I think insurers are required to pay out 3rd party claims but will often then sue you to get there money back. I think there is a case which has recently gone through the courts and the ombudsman sided with the insurance company when they were trying to recoup their losses, I think this is currently at appeal. Details are here http://www.leeds-solicitors.com/nurburgring_insura...
Also with regards to insurance, I'd forget the inconvenience of righting your car off, forget the £5-10K you could get charged for barriers and track closure and worry about the £000,000's you could be liable for should your actions hurt someone else.
I've tried for the last to years to get insurance for the ring and have had no luck, only place I've found will only cover TVR and porsche. Can't really blame anyone for not wanting to get involved.
I'd consider renting a car out there if your not properly covered.
I expect this year I'll hire a car for one day and spend the other couple of days relaxing and watching, then head of to spa.
Also have a look at www.nurburgring.org for more details.
We stayed here http://www.burgstube.com/ and are heading back again so would recommend
With regards to prepping cars, I was always told that the nurburgring is much easier on tyres and brakes than other tracks, I would just insure that everything is in good condition prior to leaving. I have only been once and never learnt it well enough to even remotely push the car, I'd generally expect to see a lot more wear on a trackday where you have a chance to learn the track and start to push the car.
Insurance seams to be a very grey area, As I understand it you are required to have insurance as the Germans see it as a public road and therefore all obligations you'd have on any road still apply thats not limited to crashing but dropping fluids as well. At the moment I think insurers are required to pay out 3rd party claims but will often then sue you to get there money back. I think there is a case which has recently gone through the courts and the ombudsman sided with the insurance company when they were trying to recoup their losses, I think this is currently at appeal. Details are here http://www.leeds-solicitors.com/nurburgring_insura...
Also with regards to insurance, I'd forget the inconvenience of righting your car off, forget the £5-10K you could get charged for barriers and track closure and worry about the £000,000's you could be liable for should your actions hurt someone else.
I've tried for the last to years to get insurance for the ring and have had no luck, only place I've found will only cover TVR and porsche. Can't really blame anyone for not wanting to get involved.
I'd consider renting a car out there if your not properly covered.
I expect this year I'll hire a car for one day and spend the other couple of days relaxing and watching, then head of to spa.
Also have a look at www.nurburgring.org for more details.
We stayed here http://www.burgstube.com/ and are heading back again so would recommend
andye30m3 said:
I've tried for the last to years to get insurance for the ring and have had no luck, only place I've found will only cover TVR and porsche. Can't really blame anyone for not wanting to get involved.
So what did you do last year then just chance it? Drive carefully?Edited by D18OCK on Thursday 11th March 14:12
D18OCK said:
Some people say you need to change tyres and brakes whilst you are there but that has never been true of any other track days I have done and we were only planning on doing 3 or 4 laps per car.
Absolutely not true for a standard road car. If you can drive it to Germany and back you can do a few laps of the 'ring.I'm sure someone's sid this already, but the best piece of advice is to treat it like a one-way country road (minus speed limits) not a race track.
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