Case for asymmetric setups?
Case for asymmetric setups?
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Evangelion

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8,463 posts

202 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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Given that the vast majority of race circuits are right-handed, and I can't offhand think of a single one in the UK that isn't, I'm surprised I've never seen any discussion here on asmmetric setups.

The car on whose behalf I'm enquiring is a Mk 1 MX-5, lowered on coilovers which is going to need a geometry check before its next trackday. It's never used on the road other than driving to and from circuits.

Would any ill-effects result from having different cambers left and right, especially as the difference would probably be less than 1 degree anyway?

mmm-five

12,161 posts

308 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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Other than Rockingham, I think the rest are clockwise, so I don't see what an asymmetric setup wouldn't be better.

I always find my N/S tyres are more worn than the O/S tyres towards the middle of the day, so I just swap them around.

chris7676

2,685 posts

244 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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Fair point.
BUT, you still have some left turns on each of those circuits and you wouldn't necessary want to have insufficient camber for those ?

V8mate

45,899 posts

213 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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chris7676 said:
Fair point.
BUT, you still have some left turns on each of those circuits and you wouldn't necessary want to have insufficient camber for those ?
Exactly.

The new Snetterton, for example, has seven rights and five lefts; too many corners to get wrong!

thegreenhell

22,275 posts

243 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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Wouldn't it pull to one side, especially under braking? As far as I know, no racing cars other than oval racers use asymmetrical setups, and I'm sure they would if it were beneficial on conventional circuits.

iguana

7,316 posts

284 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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Evangelion said:
Given that the vast majority of race circuits are right-handed, and I can't offhand think of a single one in the UK that isn't, I'm
Rockingham & Bedford are anticlock, if you do airfields some of those are also, like Abingdon.


jon-

16,534 posts

240 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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thegreenhell said:
Wouldn't it pull to one side, especially under braking?
Most likely this. Adding camber limits the tyres ability to grip when accelerating and braking in a straight line. Different cambers would result in different levels of grip meaning the car wouldn't be stable under braking.

It's not going to kill you, but as others have said it's not really worth it. If there was time to be had, racers would do it.

fanjules

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299 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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Asymmetrical setups are surely commonplace in the higher racing categories. Less so in lower categories where track time is short.

Remember a car is never truly in a symmetrical setup because the balance starts to change front to back, and left to right, as temps develop after a few laps. Teams will seek to achieve optimal temperature and contact patches at each corner regardless of what side it's on. Often the unloaded tyre may not be hugely relevant either - right up to stiffly sprung F1 cars where you sometimes see the tyre wobbling mid-air.

Having said that... ruining the setup of my car at a trackday isn't my idea of fun but I no doubt there are plenty of guys that love this sort of thing. Of course, it will be of dubious value at the next event you attend at a different circuit.

Evangelion

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Monday 31st January 2011
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mmm-five said:
... I always find my N/S tyres are more worn than the O/S tyres towards the middle of the day, so I just swap them around.
Doesn't that mean they're now rotating in the wrong direction?

jon-

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240 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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Evangelion said:
Doesn't that mean they're now rotating in the wrong direction?
Not if they're asymmetric smile

Most directional tyres can run backwards too, providing it isn't wet.