Student Job after Graduation

[tbc]

This thread might die on it's arse but here goes

Graduated from University last summer with a high level degree in IT, supposedly a get a job anywhere degree, so I have applied for lots of jobs and had some interviews which usually resulted in them saying they would give me a job when market conditions pick up, but congratulating me on my impressive CV.

So to cut a long story short. I am still working my student job I started over 4 years ago while at Uni, It's in a minimum wage stopgap in Retail only a few days a week and can only be described as 'soul destroying'. I have about six managers, none of whom know what day it is half time, have little or no qualifications. They do no work and sit about all day giving orders. The majority of customers can only be described as ignorant individuals.

All in all it's getting depressing.

Just interested to see how many people on here continued working their student job after graduating, are still working their student job, or took a totally different career path?

[Mattt]

Thought about doing a tech-based internship? Many then lead on to jobs.

www.enternships.com

[Scrambled]

Where is the car content on this thread? OP, what car do you drive?

[tbc]

lack of full time meaningful wealth giving career = lack of meaningful fulfilling automobile

[vonhosen]

Were they advertising & interviewing for jobs that didn't exist or did somebody other than you get the job ?

If somebody else got the job what did they offer that you didn't ?
(Because impressive CV, we would hire you if the market was better isn't very helpful feedback)

[Scrambled]

tbc said:

lack of full time meaningful wealth giving career = lack of meaningful fulfilling automobile

Why post on GG then?

[matthias73]

Scrambled said:

tbc said:

lack of full time meaningful wealth giving career = lack of meaningful fulfilling automobile

Why post on GG then?

One could argue, that due to the various types of people on this forum, of differing age catergories and pay checks, and the huge variety of jobs people seem to have here, it would be a perfect place to ask such a question.

[sday12]

matthias73 said:

Scrambled said:

tbc said:

lack of full time meaningful wealth giving career = lack of meaningful fulfilling automobile

Why post on GG then?

One could argue, that due to the various types of people on this forum, of differing age catergories and pay checks, and the huge variety of jobs people seem to have here, it would be a perfect place to ask such a question.

Maybe The Lounge would be more appropriate?

[balders118]

I'm still working my "student job" as a Personal Trainer. After a year out of Uni I realised that a BSc isn't enough to get a job so I'm now most of the way through a 2 year MSc, with plans of getting a proper job when I finish. I really don't want to do a PhD!

Edit: this is probably best off in the lounge

Edited by balders118 on Monday 19th March 08:32

[matthias73]

sday12 said:

matthias73 said:

Scrambled said:

tbc said:

lack of full time meaningful wealth giving career = lack of meaningful fulfilling automobile

Why post on GG then?

One could argue, that due to the various types of people on this forum, of differing age catergories and pay checks, and the huge variety of jobs people seem to have here, it would be a perfect place to ask such a question.

Maybe The Lounge would be more appropriate?

Touche sir, it is late and I forgot of such a place.

[vrsmxtb]

I'm still in retail, despite having a decent degree but only because I have no clue what I want to do with it. It really depends on your attitude to it, there are good, very well paid jobs in it if you have the grit to to stick it out. I say while your job hunting, try and show some enthusiasm and from the sounds of it you'll progress up the ladder fairly quickly. I would honestly rather work on a busy retial shopfloor than stuck in an IT office in the city, despite the money. I used to get very fed up that I was "still doing my student job", then some progression opportunities came along which I took and brought new challenges, loads of people management skills etc. Your CV will be een more impressive if you can show you work well and progress quickly in a fast paced, real world job I'm sure.

On another note, depending on how close your retailers headoffice is, have you thought of sending your CV up there. Loads of IT work, and thefact you already work for the company and show some interest could be a foot in the door.

Hope that helps, I do feel your frustration!

[Pablo Escobar]

Join the club op. I've got a 1st from Nottingham and I work in a pub.

[wolves_wanderer]

vrsmxtb said:

I'm still in retail, despite having a decent degree but only because I have no clue what I want to do with it. It really depends on your attitude to it, there are good, very well paid jobs in it if you have the grit to to stick it out. I say while your job hunting, try and show some enthusiasm and from the sounds of it you'll progress up the ladder fairly quickly. I would honestly rather work on a busy retial shopfloor than stuck in an IT office in the city, despite the money. I used to get very fed up that I was "still doing my student job", then some progression opportunities came along which I took and brought new challenges, loads of people management skills etc. Your CV will be een more impressive if you can show you work well and progress quickly in a fast paced, real world job I'm sure.

On another note, depending on how close your retailers headoffice is, have you thought of sending your CV up there. Loads of IT work, and thefact you already work for the company and show some interest could be a foot in the door.

Hope that helps, I do feel your frustration!

Exactly this. No such thing as a dead-end job OP.

[mig25_foxbat2003]

Come joint my lot as a Technology Consultant - we're always hiring. That's how I got in.

[superman84]

balders118 said:

I'm still working my "student job" as a Personal Trainer. After a year out of Uni I realised that a BSc isn't enough to get a job so I'm now most of the way through a 2 year MSc, with plans of getting a proper job when I finish. I really don't want to do a PhD!

Edit: this is probbably best off in the lounge

The issue for most graduates isn't that a degree isn't sufficient for most jobs it's the lack of relevant work experience that, and the sense of being entitled to a good job based purely on a half decent degree and underdeveloped 'soft' skills.

[R11ysf]

superman84 said:

The issue for most graduates isn't that a degree isn't sufficient for most jobs it's the lack of relevant work experience that, and the sense of being entitled to a good job based purely on a half decent degree and underdeveloped 'soft' skills.

+1,000,000

Since Tony Blair's expansion of university places for everyone it has meant loads of people go to university that wouldn't normally have done so and then emerge with "a degree" thinking they will get a good job. The uni they went to and the relevance to a job applied for doesn't seem to enter their head (like the guy on the BBC interview that said he'd pay off his student loan in a couple of years as he was going to be rich. going the study philosophy WTF??)

I only hear the other day that not all junior doctors are guaranteed places after they qualify due to an over supply from medical schools.

The sooner we put a cap on university places and divert the rest of the funds into producing good quality engineers, designers etc through long, on the job practical experience the better IMO.

[balders118]

superman84 said:

The issue for most graduates isn't that a degree isn't sufficient for most jobs it's the lack of relevant work experience that, and the sense of being entitled to a good job based purely on a half decent degree and underdeveloped 'soft' skills.

Maybe, but not always the case. The career I will be going down is a very difficult one to get into as there are limited jobs, and loads of people that want them. If 100 people apply for the job, all with undergraduate degrees, and 20 with post graduates, those with undergradutes will often be filtered out at the appilcation stage and not get to interview.

Experience is a stumbling block too, but doing an MSc gives you more time to build that up (I have been working with world champion athletes whilst doing mine) so it's win win really!

I think rather than the problem being "underdeveloped graduates" it's the fact that so many people go to university now, so everone has a degree and if you want the edge in getting a job you need to set yourself abiove everyone else.

[sday12]

R11ysf said:

superman84 said:

The issue for most graduates isn't that a degree isn't sufficient for most jobs it's the lack of relevant work experience that, and the sense of being entitled to a good job based purely on a half decent degree and underdeveloped 'soft' skills.

+1,000,000

Since Tony Blair's expansion of university places for everyone it has meant loads of people go to university that wouldn't normally have done so and then emerge with "a degree" thinking they will get a good job. The uni they went to and the relevance to a job applied for doesn't seem to enter their head (like the guy on the BBC interview that said he'd pay off his student loan in a couple of years as he was going to be rich. going the study philosophy WTF??)

I only hear the other day that not all junior doctors are guaranteed places after they qualify due to an over supply from medical schools.


The sooner we put a cap on university places and divert the rest of the funds into producing good quality engineers, designers etc through long, on the job practical experience the better IMO.

A country full of engineers? Good God, who's going to sleep with all the single women?

I'll hazard a guess, neither of you have degrees. (Wrong on the first,(sorry!) one to go)

Edited by sday12 on Monday 19th March 08:49

[CraigyMc]

mig25_foxbat2003 said:

Come joint my lot as a Technology Consultant - we're always hiring. That's how I got in.

Not *always*.

Are you aware of how many grads are taken in versus the number who end up in jobs?

C

[superman84]

balders118 said:

Maybe, but not always the case. The career I will be going down is a very difficult one to get into as there are limited jobs, and loads of people that want them. If 100 people apply for the job, all with undergraduate degrees, and 20 with post graduates, those with undergradutes will often be filtered out at the appilcation stage and not get to interview.

Experience is a stumbling block too, but doing an MSc gives you more time to build that up (I have been working with world champion athletes whilst doing mine) so it's win win really!

I think rather than the problem being "underdeveloped graduates" it's the fact that so many people go to university now, so everone has a degree and if you want the edge in getting a job you need to set yourself abiove everyone else.

Of course it depends on the role, and if you need the masters to get the work experience then there is no choice. I started a Masters then I realised that for my line of work a year's real world experience (and pay) was infinitely more valuable than some extra letters and more debt. Professional qualifications are important too and tend to be paid for by employers as they are usually more relevant to chosen field than academia. But again this depends on chosen career path.

Edited by superman84 on Monday 19th March 08:50