Your only worth more when your leaving? WHY?
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Not sure im in the right place (jobs and employment)? feel free to move and please except my apologies in advance.
So works been going ok over this year, been a few hiccups with one thing and another, i was getting a little to stressed with these hiccups to be fair as they had nothing to do with me and the way i perform my role.
March this year i did my HGV 2 licence as a back up, so i just slung my C.V out for a few job in both sectors.
I got offered a job on fri driving a HGV 2, so rang my boss sat to inform him, and all of a sudden there is a company car and fuel card for me to use etc??
Why?? ?
So works been going ok over this year, been a few hiccups with one thing and another, i was getting a little to stressed with these hiccups to be fair as they had nothing to do with me and the way i perform my role.
March this year i did my HGV 2 licence as a back up, so i just slung my C.V out for a few job in both sectors.
I got offered a job on fri driving a HGV 2, so rang my boss sat to inform him, and all of a sudden there is a company car and fuel card for me to use etc??
Why?? ?
cossy400 said:
Not sure im in the right place (jobs and employment)? feel free to move and please except my apologies in advance.
So works been going ok over this year, been a few hiccups with one thing and another, i was getting a little to stressed with these hiccups to be fair as they had nothing to do with me and the way i perform my role.
March this year i did my HGV 2 licence as a back up, so i just slung my C.V out for a few job in both sectors.
I got offered a job on fri driving a HGV 2, so rang my boss sat to inform him, and all of a sudden there is a company car and fuel card for me to use etc??
Why?? ?
Because we are in a supposed recession (Do not get me started on this) and no one ever ever leaves their job...So works been going ok over this year, been a few hiccups with one thing and another, i was getting a little to stressed with these hiccups to be fair as they had nothing to do with me and the way i perform my role.
March this year i did my HGV 2 licence as a back up, so i just slung my C.V out for a few job in both sectors.
I got offered a job on fri driving a HGV 2, so rang my boss sat to inform him, and all of a sudden there is a company car and fuel card for me to use etc??
Why?? ?
Or it may be that he is cacking himself, and you perform a unique role, he will be unable to replace you. (And he is in the pooh for allowing this to happen)
I spoke to my HR manager the other week to inform him that I would be leaving very shortly as had been offered another job, and was just waiting on the official offer. No issues as we have a good relationship.
Had a call at site this evening from my Director asking if there is anything that can be done to keep me. Had a conversation about my reasons, potential raise blah blah blah. He then said he understood, and proceeded to tell me he had handed his notice in yesterday! Cheers!! Lol.
Had a call at site this evening from my Director asking if there is anything that can be done to keep me. Had a conversation about my reasons, potential raise blah blah blah. He then said he understood, and proceeded to tell me he had handed his notice in yesterday! Cheers!! Lol.
You should never use the threat of leaving your existing employment to gain a pay rise. By all means, ask for a rise (or increase in benefits) with facts (data) to prove your worth. If a company does not recognise this, they probably aren't worth working for, as this new offer will be a one off!
Either make up your mind to leave or pursue the increased benfits with your existing company.
I may live in an idealistic world, but this way will only hamper your efforts later on in your career....
Mike
Either make up your mind to leave or pursue the increased benfits with your existing company.
I may live in an idealistic world, but this way will only hamper your efforts later on in your career....
Mike
I had a boss once tell me after i asked for a pay review that times were hard etc, and that i was happy with my salary when i started, (my role was changing significantly with 70% travel from 0 % previously), basically a big no to more money. As the meeting finished then asked to tell him if i was ever thinking of leaving so he could do something about it.
Companies try to make money. At the root of it, you pay the minimum you think you need to pay to keep someone. You can pay more, but that's a choice and a balance taking into account getting it wrong and losing them.
I know I could earm an extra £10k elsewhere, and my company probably knows it too. We have an unwritten deal, because the balance of my role, team and job satisfaction is rewarded with a salary I'm content with. Well, for now anyway!
I know I could earm an extra £10k elsewhere, and my company probably knows it too. We have an unwritten deal, because the balance of my role, team and job satisfaction is rewarded with a salary I'm content with. Well, for now anyway!
cossy400 said:
Not sure im in the right place (jobs and employment)? feel free to move and please except my apologies in advance.
So works been going ok over this year, been a few hiccups with one thing and another, i was getting a little to stressed with these hiccups to be fair as they had nothing to do with me and the way i perform my role.
March this year i did my HGV 2 licence as a back up, so i just slung my C.V out for a few job in both sectors.
I got offered a job on fri driving a HGV 2, so rang my boss sat to inform him, and all of a sudden there is a company car and fuel card for me to use etc??
Why?? ?
First of all, good on you for getting the HGV 2 licence that has helped you further your career choice. Now you have an alternative offer which is a fair way of determining your true value in the job market. It is sometimes easier to stay with the job you know well but that often leaves you stuck in a narrow pay range - comfort factor. This can lead to the employer not necessarily appreciating the real value of certain staff which may be the case here.So works been going ok over this year, been a few hiccups with one thing and another, i was getting a little to stressed with these hiccups to be fair as they had nothing to do with me and the way i perform my role.
March this year i did my HGV 2 licence as a back up, so i just slung my C.V out for a few job in both sectors.
I got offered a job on fri driving a HGV 2, so rang my boss sat to inform him, and all of a sudden there is a company car and fuel card for me to use etc??
Why?? ?
Would the op have been offered a company car and fuel card if he just asked without having another job offer in his pocket? I very much doubt it.
This is one of the few opportunities you have in life to step up the ladder. Go for it and secure the best terms possible if you stay with your existing employer as I doubt you will see a major pay rise over the next three years following this promotion.
Well done. Your efforts deserve recognition.
JB
The why is because you have value to your employer, but you have now given them a problem which may have short term implications, and the easiest and cheapest solution is to pay you to stay. It might not be the best long term solution (money is rarely enough of a reason to make someone stay for long when they were thinking of leaving) but it has appeal as the short term benefits are appealing, as is the lack of energy and expense required compared to finding a dependable replacement.
jfbrin said:
First of all, good on you for getting the HGV 2 licence that has helped you further your career choice. Now you have an alternative offer which is a fair way of determining your true value in the job market. It is sometimes easier to stay with the job you know well but that often leaves you stuck in a narrow pay range - comfort factor. This can lead to the employer not necessarily appreciating the real value of certain staff which may be the case here.
Would the op have been offered a company car and fuel card if he just asked without having another job offer in his pocket? I very much doubt it.
This is one of the few opportunities you have in life to step up the ladder. Go for it and secure the best terms possible if you stay with your existing employer as I doubt you will see a major pay rise over the next three years following this promotion.
Well done. Your efforts deserve recognition.
JB
Thanks for your comments, everything you ve stated was written down over the weekend with the pros and cons of the job offer and the job im in. Comfort zones being a main issues as pretty much all of us have bills/mortgages to pay and i would never want to put my house and family financially at risk, by no means was it a case of just jumping ship. Would the op have been offered a company car and fuel card if he just asked without having another job offer in his pocket? I very much doubt it.
This is one of the few opportunities you have in life to step up the ladder. Go for it and secure the best terms possible if you stay with your existing employer as I doubt you will see a major pay rise over the next three years following this promotion.
Well done. Your efforts deserve recognition.
JB
Ive never been a risk taker but the one thing that kept going round and round in my head was if i dont there ll always be the "what ifs".
mike9009 said:
You should never use the threat of leaving your existing employment to gain a pay rise. By all means, ask for a rise (or increase in benefits) with facts (data) to prove your worth. If a company does not recognise this, they probably aren't worth working for, as this new offer will be a one off!
Either make up your mind to leave or pursue the increased benfits with your existing company.
I may live in an idealistic world, but this way will only hamper your efforts later on in your career....
Mike
I tried the above approach, wrote a reasonable letter to my department manager detailing my contribution to the business under various headings (Technical expertise, Project management, Innovation, Versatility) to explain why I felt undervalued. This resulted in a meeting with said which got me nowhere, just hot air and empty promises. He was surprised when I handed him my two-sided resignation letter; the second side detailed why I had resigned, again under various headings such as personal development, management support etc. I even offered to arrange a handover meeting at the start of my notice period so that my successor could still pick my brains while I worked my notice.Either make up your mind to leave or pursue the increased benfits with your existing company.
I may live in an idealistic world, but this way will only hamper your efforts later on in your career....
Mike
Try and be as professional as you can.
I faced redundancy last year, the department manager had left and the technical director rang me up and offered me my old job back!
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