New Position for Senior Automotive Engineer
New Position for Senior Automotive Engineer
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JontyR

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1,924 posts

196 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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A vacancy has come around with ourselves.

We are based in between Swindon and Salisbury and build bespoke track/race cars. We are looking for an engineer with over 6 years experience working within this environment.

You will need to have a hands on approach, but be able to stand back and think a problem through.

Ideal experience in the following:
General mechanics
Welding
Electrics
Engineering and Fabrication
CAD
Engine and transmission rebuilds

The salary range is £25,000 to £32,000

We are not looking for someone that is fresh out of university, this is a senior position and I need someone that can walk in and hit the ground running!

Nick1point9

3,920 posts

209 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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I don't want to be facetious, but I'd hardly call that a Senior Automotive Engineer, that's surely a technician role? Never met a "senior engineer" who has to do welding as part of their job...

crazy about cars

4,454 posts

198 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Nick1point9 said:
I don't want to be facetious, but I'd hardly call that a Senior Automotive Engineer, that's surely a technician role? Never met a "senior engineer" who has to do welding as part of their job...
Exactly! Salary seems to be on the low side for the experience required too.

JontyR

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1,924 posts

196 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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The reason I have put Senior is down to the fact that last time I advertised I received a lot of emails from recent grads, and that isnt what I need!

I need someone that is an all round person, so yes welding is required! However, its not like Im asking for MOT welding!

Not sure why you think £32k is too low?

egomeister

7,591 posts

292 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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JontyR said:
The reason I have put Senior is down to the fact that last time I advertised I received a lot of emails from recent grads, and that isnt what I need!

I need someone that is an all round person, so yes welding is required! However, its not like Im asking for MOT welding!

Not sure why you think £32k is too low?
I think they were questioning your use of engineer rather than that of senior!

You are searching for a very wide range of skills for this position though, I'm not sure I've ever dealt with anyone who could tick all your boxes.

JontyR

Original Poster:

1,924 posts

196 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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egomeister said:
I think they were questioning your use of engineer rather than that of senior!

You are searching for a very wide range of skills for this position though, I'm not sure I've ever dealt with anyone who could tick all your boxes.
I do agree the word engineer is slightly overused these days, but I would consider our workers as more of an engineer than a domestic engineer is in reality is a cleaner!

This is probably quite true, but they do exist I have one currently smile

The total lwasn'tasnt a must, it was more a case of as many as possible!

Podie

46,649 posts

304 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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crazy about cars said:
Nick1point9 said:
I don't want to be facetious, but I'd hardly call that a Senior Automotive Engineer, that's surely a technician role? Never met a "senior engineer" who has to do welding as part of their job...
Exactly! Salary seems to be on the low side for the experience required too.
Salary seems about on par with the industry. It's one of the reasons I left the automotive industry behind.

spikeyhead

20,355 posts

226 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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You want an experienced mechanic, or aren't you allowed to call a mechanic a mechanic anymore?

JontyR

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1,924 posts

196 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Are we not just sitting on semantics now?

spikeyhead

20,355 posts

226 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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JontyR said:
Are we not just sitting on semantics now?
I don't think so. I'd expect a senior engineer to either be degree qualified or have very extensive experience and for them to be rarely getting their hands dirty.

I'd expect a mechanic to be doing the things listed.

Podie

46,649 posts

304 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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spikeyhead said:
JontyR said:
Are we not just sitting on semantics now?
I don't think so. I'd expect a senior engineer to either be degree qualified or have very extensive experience and for them to be rarely getting their hands dirty.

I'd expect a mechanic to be doing the things listed.
How many job titles actually relate to the job description?

If I only did what was in my job title, I'd have a much easier life...

DJRC

23,563 posts

265 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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spikeyhead said:
JontyR said:
Are we not just sitting on semantics now?
I don't think so. I'd expect a senior engineer to either be degree qualified or have very extensive experience and for them to be rarely getting their hands dirty.

I'd expect a mechanic to be doing the things listed.
Not how things work in the down and dirty side of automotive engineering.

Jonty you sound like you want one of the ex-TVR type lads.
Your problem will be finding someone who has the mechanical and electrical engineering skills with the CAD design skills.

JontyR

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196 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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DJRC said:
Not how things work in the down and dirty side of automotive engineering.

Jonty you sound like you want one of the ex-TVR type lads.
Your problem will be finding someone who has the mechanical and electrical engineering skills with the CAD design skills.
That would be perfect!

Not too worried about the CAD design skills...certainly the lowest priority on the list front. As long as they can use paper and pen to make a drawing of parts that need to be manufactured I would be more than happy!

Pickled Piper

6,452 posts

264 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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JontyR said:
Are we not just sitting on semantics now?
No not in this context. You will have more success advertising for a Senior Technician /Mechanic.


crazy about cars

4,454 posts

198 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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JontyR said:
Not sure why you think £32k is too low?
I do apologise if my post sounded a bit insulting. I've read on your OP and I've got the impression that you are looking for ""Senior Automotive Engineer with minimum 6 years experience". I would've thought the salary range would start at a higher rate for that level of experience and qualifications. I could be wrong though!


Podie

46,649 posts

304 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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crazy about cars said:
JontyR said:
Not sure why you think £32k is too low?
I do apologise if my post sounded a bit insulting. I've read on your OP and I've got the impression that you are looking for ""Senior Automotive Engineer with minimum 6 years experience". I would've thought the salary range would start at a higher rate for that level of experience and qualifications. I could be wrong though!
Welcome to engineering.

Sadly, this country does not value engineering expertise. You can spend 5 years at University gaining a good masters degree, another 5 gaining experience, and someone who has been on a 1 week project management course will earn more than you.

crazy about cars

4,454 posts

198 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Podie said:
Welcome to engineering.

Sadly, this country does not value engineering expertise. You can spend 5 years at University gaining a good masters degree, another 5 gaining experience, and someone who has been on a 1 week project management course will earn more than you.
frown

I have a degree in Mech Eng and another MSc in Electronics but I've chosen the IT path as that's where my true passion/interest lies... Mind you a few of my mates who graduated and went into Engineering is doing pretty well now. This was almost 10 years ago though!

edit : Do agree about the Management bit... it seems managers earn much higher salary per experience level. I'm relatively new to the IT industry but after having 2+ years of solid experience I see a new Manager come in and automatically starts at a salary very close to my current frown I really don't want to whine but this makes me want to try to break into management someday (I'm mostly doing technical stuff)

Edited by crazy about cars on Friday 5th October 13:42


Edited by crazy about cars on Friday 5th October 13:42

DJRC

23,563 posts

265 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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A senior engineer in mainstream UK engineering will top out at £40kish, a Principal might hit £50k on salary.

This is why so many have gone abroad. The money is instantly doubled/tripled.

JontyR

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1,924 posts

196 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Hey guys...really?

I welcome your feedback, but can you take your conversation elsewhere please? No offence but it isnt going to help me find someone for the job. smile

MC Bodge

29,567 posts

204 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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JontyR said:
Hey guys...really?

I welcome your feedback, but can you take your conversation elsewhere please? No offence but it isnt going to help me find someone for the job. smile
And neither is your thread title.

It sounds as if you want a good mechanic with a high level of engineering knowledge, for not a lot of money. It could well be a good job though.

FWIW, very few of my peers had ever taken apart an engine when I was an engineering undergraduate.