Salary overpayment
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Jazzy Jefferson

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728 posts

170 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Hello

Not sure on this... any advice appreciated smile

My girlfriend quit her job, she informed them in writing etc all done properly. no problem.
They paid her for the hours she worked, but also an additional 8 hours, for which she has not worked, but was never contracted to anyway. They have simply paid her too much.

They are now requesting she pay it back. But Im not sure she has to?


illmonkey

19,807 posts

227 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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She didn't earn it, pay it back. 8 hours can't be that much.

warnerj

81 posts

195 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Check her contract to see if it states anywhere about payments.

"If an employee leaves the employment owing the employer money that could not be recovered from final wages, the amount owed becomes a civil debt. If there is no contractual provision to treat the alleged overpayment as a civil debt, the employer may have considerable difficulty in enforcing payment if you refuse to cooperate"

But as the previous comment its 8hrs of wages, do then honest thing.

Parsnip

3,260 posts

217 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Legal issues aside - what about moral ones?

Also worth considering if 8 hours of pay is worth the damage they could do if someone rings up for a reference.

Jazzy Jefferson

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728 posts

170 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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warnerj said:
Check her contract to see if it states anywhere about payments.

"If an employee leaves the employment owing the employer money that could not be recovered from final wages, the amount owed becomes a civil debt. If there is no contractual provision to treat the alleged overpayment as a civil debt, the employer may have considerable difficulty in enforcing payment if you refuse to cooperate"

But as the previous comment its 8hrs of wages, do then honest thing.
I think that's the answer, see what her original contract actually says.

thanks all.

Jazzy Jefferson

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728 posts

170 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Parsnip said:
Legal issues aside - what about moral ones?
Lets focus on the legal issues shall we..? biggrin

kiethton

14,635 posts

209 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Could it be attributed to something else that is now been overseen, un-used holiday pay entitlement?

Jazzy Jefferson

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728 posts

170 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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kiethton said:
Could it be attributed to something else that is now been overseen, un-used holiday pay entitlement?
No, its simply an over payment.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

261 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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It doesn't matter a jot what her contract says about methods of recovery. Legally she owes the money back. There is absolutely no grey area.
A contract is to pay her X for doing Y. They have paid her extra for doing no extra hence it is legally recoverable

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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That is correct. The pseudo-legal answers about contractual terms above are pure rubbish.

The OP's girlfriend must pay back the money.

Simon Brooks

1,527 posts

280 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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They will need to rerun the payroll as she will have only been overpaid by the net amount

Sir Bagalot

7,078 posts

210 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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OP.... Boot on other foot. Let's say she got underpaid by 8 hours.... would she be wanting the money?

Fer

7,773 posts

309 months

Saturday 17th November 2012
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swerni said:
Sir Bagalot said:
OP.... Boot on other foot. Let's say she got underpaid by 8 hours.... would she be wanting the money?
morally or legally? wink
You're not helping. :-P

Marcellus

7,204 posts

248 months

Saturday 17th November 2012
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I'd be inclined to ring the previous employer up and ask them to explain final payslip as it might not be an over payment.

I'm thinking holiday... Does your average employee get something like a day a fortnight on average?

Lauryn

68 posts

221 months

Saturday 17th November 2012
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About 7 years ago I was overpaid by a small amount, they cottoned on and wrote to me asking for it to be paid back, then a few weeks later they 'recalculated' it and suddenly it was more, and then again a few months later. I never paid it back and never heard a word. It can cause problems though and for 8 hours I would return it to avoid any hassle.

scirocco265

421 posts

205 months

Saturday 17th November 2012
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She has a legal obligation to return under the 1996 Theft Act (as amended) Section 2, pertaining to dishonestly retaining a wrongful credit.

Simples.

Jazzy Jefferson

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728 posts

170 months

Tuesday 20th November 2012
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Thanks for the help smile

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49,265 posts

225 months

Tuesday 20th November 2012
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Simon Brooks said:
They will need to rerun the payroll as she will have only been overpaid by the net amount
Unlikely. They will just do the correction in the following pay period (assuming she pays).

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49,265 posts

225 months

Tuesday 20th November 2012
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Just to confuse matters smile

If the employee could have reasonably assumed that the pay was correct and has spent it she would not have to repay (principle of Estoppel applies)

PureEmploymentLaw said:
In some situations employees may be able to argue that they should not be required to repay the overpayment. This is based on a very old legal concept called ‘estoppel’. There are three main points that are relevant to estoppel in this context, which are:

1) The employer must have done something which led the employee to believe the money was rightfully his (or hers).

2) The employee must have “changed position”, which usually means that they have spent the money.

3) The overpayment was not the employee’s fault.
http://www.pureemploymentlaw.co.uk/2011/03/15/overcoming-overpayments/

callyman

3,194 posts

241 months

Tuesday 20th November 2012
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If she left the job on good terms, then pay it back.

If she left on poor terms , then pay it back.......in 5p coins. biggrin

Edited by callyman on Tuesday 20th November 18:21