Hours between shifts
Discussion
Evening PH.
I'm sure this has been posted loads, but just a quick question.
On Monday I work 1900 to 2300. I start work on Tuesday at 0800.
Is this allowed? I do home delivery for a large supermarket.
I've had a few people say that I should get an extra hour between shifts.
I'm not too fussed at the moment (although I do feel like s
t in the morning when my alarm goes off).
Really sorry if its been done loads, but search doesn't work, and PH is generally better than my Googling skills!
Thanks.
I'm sure this has been posted loads, but just a quick question.
On Monday I work 1900 to 2300. I start work on Tuesday at 0800.
Is this allowed? I do home delivery for a large supermarket.
I've had a few people say that I should get an extra hour between shifts.
I'm not too fussed at the moment (although I do feel like s
t in the morning when my alarm goes off). Really sorry if its been done loads, but search doesn't work, and PH is generally better than my Googling skills!
Thanks.
DCS01 said:
Working time directive applies UNLESS you have signed an opt out. Law enforcment is one area that comes under the exemptions - just means that as law enforcment you work all hours God sends then some.
I work for the ambulance service and even though we have opted out, they still must give us 11 hours between shift.OP: you work for Tesco (or whatever), not the emergency services or forces etc, so you should get 11 hours between shifts (minimum).
You have my sympathies OP, I do exactly the same job, but for a better company I reckon (I'm guessing by your shift end time... 
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Luckily I have managed to work my contract so that I never go from a late to an early like you do though it's not unhead of to pick up shifts on my days off to cover hols and for some extra pennies in the bank.
From the legal side of things I'm unsure if the 11 hour rule is meant to be there to prevent employers from forcing you into working shifts with less of a gap between them, or if you are presented with hours to 'consider' once you agree to them you exempt yourself from the 11 hours?
)Luckily I have managed to work my contract so that I never go from a late to an early like you do though it's not unhead of to pick up shifts on my days off to cover hols and for some extra pennies in the bank.
From the legal side of things I'm unsure if the 11 hour rule is meant to be there to prevent employers from forcing you into working shifts with less of a gap between them, or if you are presented with hours to 'consider' once you agree to them you exempt yourself from the 11 hours?
As has already been said, my understanding is that you should have 11 hours between shifts. You might want to point out to your employer that taking into account your travel time to and from work that your rest period is less then eleven hours.
You might also want to consider that should you have an accident it may invalidate there insurance should it be proved that the cause of the accident was down to you not being fit for work due to fatigue.
You might also want to consider that should you have an accident it may invalidate there insurance should it be proved that the cause of the accident was down to you not being fit for work due to fatigue.
ED209 said:
Oh yes it does apply!
Also during the current period of pay, pensions and conditions shafting i would suggest you should be working to the rules.
Unfortunately as much as working to rules appeals, being militant on a special unit only results in me getting kicked back to the 24/7. Also during the current period of pay, pensions and conditions shafting i would suggest you should be working to the rules.
Chicken Chaser said:
ED209 said:
Oh yes it does apply!
Also during the current period of pay, pensions and conditions shafting i would suggest you should be working to the rules.
Unfortunately as much as working to rules appeals, being militant on a special unit only results in me getting kicked back to the 24/7. Also during the current period of pay, pensions and conditions shafting i would suggest you should be working to the rules.
People need to stand together to fight these changes but they wont because people are concerned with their own short term niches and lining their own pockets in the short term.
I work for one of your rivals and often have to work until 9pm and start my next shift at 5am. This situation is covered in my staff handbook. Have you checked yours?
Mine says:
Mine says:
Handbook said:
We aim to give you 11 hours' rest between each working day/shift, but at times this may not be possible. Where a location is represented by USDAW, we have collectively agreed that you always receive no less than eight hours daily rest between each working day/shift.
Where this happens, we will give you compensatory rest ideally within seven days but not later than four weeks of the shortfall happening. This compensatory rest can be included in your second day off for the week, or any time when your daily rest exceeds the 11 hour requirement. If you are under 18, you must always receive a 12 hour rest period in between your days work and two rest days each week.
Where this happens, we will give you compensatory rest ideally within seven days but not later than four weeks of the shortfall happening. This compensatory rest can be included in your second day off for the week, or any time when your daily rest exceeds the 11 hour requirement. If you are under 18, you must always receive a 12 hour rest period in between your days work and two rest days each week.
Ki3r said:
Thats what Working Time Regs say, apart from some jobs. I wasn't sure if a delivery driver would count as one of those? I can understand a waiter at Xmas etc.
You'll be covered by the WTD for mobile workers - different set of rules. Us truckies are covered by them. 15hr shifts and 9hrs off before you're at work again. I believe the same regs also cover hotel staff as well as I had this discussion with a friend on here who worked in a hotel and was finishing at 11pm and back in at 6am next day. Turned out I was wrong and it is in fact completely legal.ED209 said:
And that is why the job is screwed. People see 24/7 as a dumping ground when in essence its the most important role in the police. You are also being very short cited if you think chucking pensions and pay and conditions away is worth it to stay in a squad.
People need to stand together to fight these changes but they wont because people are concerned with their own short term niches and lining their own pockets in the short term.
Trying to avoid going OT but.....Am I being short sighted? Is my one man militancy really going to make Cameron et al do a U turn? No, apathy amongst 140k police in the Uk might though. I'd love to be a Pied Piper, but we cant be causing disaffection can we?!People need to stand together to fight these changes but they wont because people are concerned with their own short term niches and lining their own pockets in the short term.
Chicken Chaser said:
Trying to avoid going OT but.....Am I being short sighted? Is my one man militancy really going to make Cameron et al do a U turn? No, apathy amongst 140k police in the Uk might though. I'd love to be a Pied Piper, but we cant be causing disaffection can we?!
Well... if all 140,000 thought like you, that would result in the apathy you're talking about, surely?I know nothing of your situation, so I'm certainly not judging. Just pointing out the irony in your post
DCS01 said:
Working time directive applies UNLESS you have signed an opt out. Law enforcment is one area that comes under the exemptions - just means that as law enforcment you work all hours God sends then some.
A WTD 'opt out' only covers the 48hour average working week. There is no Opt -out to the 11 hours between shiftsGassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff