Management training by distance learning

[oldbanger]

I'm sure I've posted about training/qualifications previously, but I can't find a post in the last 2 years on the subject, so apologies if this is repetition.

I am going for a management role that I have already been covering for the best part of a year. Assuming that I actually get it (there's quite a bit of competition) I would be quite keen to get some real training in people management.

Work offers a very basic online course (takes a couple of hours) and I'd want to go quite a bit futher than that (though not MBA etc).

Can anyone tell me which pratical courses or qualifications I could look at please? For example has anyone gained any CMI qualifications? If so, were they useful?

I am particularly interested in distance learning, as work is unlikely to allow me time off or to pay for this training.

[Jasper Gilder]

They'd be crazy not to invest in helping you be a success and if they employ less than 250 people they can get a grant. PM me for more details

If the role is on the logistics sector there's even better news!

[oldbanger]

Thanks Jasper. It's at least 10x that's size and not in the logistics sector either unfortunately.

Edited by oldbanger on Tuesday 8th January 20:39

[acd80]

I've been looking into the CMI for a couple of months now. I filled in the online form and I've been badgered by them ever since asking if I'm going to take up their 'offer' of Membership of the CMI. I don't know what the full price is off the top of my head but I got an email a couple of weeks ago saying I could have membership for £100.

I got a phonecall from them yesterday asking if I had made a decision yet-I asked them how much it was and they said £126. I queried about the email I got and they said 'okay, we'll give you membership for £100'. I am in the forces and I do have an NVQ5 in management. I'm leaving quite soon to do an MBA so I'm not really sure if I want to join now and waste a year's membership effectively whilst in Uni.

[rog007]

Organisations such as CMI, ILM, CIPD, IoD et al do provide value to many. What value you and your employers place on knowledge aquisition, external verification of existing competencies, networking and CPD that these and other organisations provide and facilitate, only you and they can answer.

I personally value what they have delivered to me (I'm a Felllow of both CMI & ILM and a member of the IoD) and those I employ. They are not the whole answer, but are certainly a key part.

As to the OPs query on distance learning; it's better than no learning!

And a reminder that there is tax relief on profesional body membership fees that one can claim back via HRMC.

Good luck!

[davepoth]

oldbanger said:

I got the job - yay!

Unfortunately, work won't support a CMI course or similar as I;ve asked. There is some online courses that they will allow which I will of course have a bloody good go at.

Can anyone suggest any way I can organise something for myself outside of work please? e.g. mentoring, networking group etc


I have already had feedback that I have a great deal of development in terms of people management. However partly I think there is a clash of management sytles. The main management sylte amongst my immediate collegaues is that of enforcement. I manage a higher paid team than even the other managers are paid, who are expected to put in a level of unpaid overtime only matched by our internal client team managers and my style is one of leading by example, transparent decision making and collaboration.

I have already ended up at loggerheads with my existing management colleagues on the first day after being offered the official promotion. Whilst I am of the opinion that the only bad feedback is no feedback, ideally what I am looking for is an independant voice of reason.

I have already been managing my team informally for a year, and my team's absence and turnover is miniscule compared to my colleagues' more junior teams so I can't be all wrong.

My experience of being managed is that the people who have the most qualifications in management tend to be the least qualified to manage, if you see what I mean. Don't sweat about qualifications, buckle down and get a couple of years' service with the word "manager" appended to your job title. It'll be worth a lot more.

[davepoth]

If you cleared it with HR and your boss was uncontactable, then I don't see the problem. If they want you to manage, they have to let you manage.

[Jasper Gilder]

oldbanger said:

Thanks Jasper. It's at least 10x that's size and not in the logistics sector either unfortunately.

Edited by oldbanger on Tuesday 8th January 20:39

PM me anyway - in the office next week and work in lots of sectors that aren't logistics ( retail, manufacturing, local government, national government, hospitality, IT, services etc.) So still could help...

[Barbarossa]

The OU do a diploma in management which then leads onto their MBA if you want to go further. Their courses are very good.

[Sir Fergie]

davepoth said:

My experience of being managed is that the people who have the most qualifications in management tend to be the least qualified to manage, if you see what I mean. Don't sweat about qualifications, buckle down and get a couple of years' service with the word "manager" appended to your job title. It'll be worth a lot more.

Dave - when you say (in your experience) "the people who have the most qualificatins in management tend to be the least qualified to manage" - would that be because they have insufficient experience in your area of work.

Or is it that you consider that good managers work their way up the ladder - picking up the key skills over time.

Sir Fergie

[SVS]

Barbarossa said:

The OU do a diploma in management which then leads onto their MBA if you want to go further. Their courses are very good.

+1 for the Open University business school. I've heard nothing but glowing reports about the OU.

Likewise, Ashridge Business School is highly renowned and offers a distance learning Postgraduate Certificate in Management (as a stand-alone qualification or a step towards a Masters in Management).

[Sir Fergie]

SVS said:

Barbarossa said:

The OU do a diploma in management which then leads onto their MBA if you want to go further. Their courses are very good.

+1 for the Open University business school. I've heard nothing but glowing reports about the OU.

Likewise, Ashridge Business School is highly renowned and offers a distance learning Postgraduate Certificate in Management (as a stand-alone qualification or a step towards a Masters in Management).

Guys what cost is involved in doing Open University, is it possible for a foreign student (im from Southern Ireland) to do the courses and how can you work through the modules.

Is it like a normal college course where you have to do 6 modules in one 12 week semester - or can you work through the modules in your own time (within reason).

Sir Fergie

[SVS]

I think the Open University treats students from the ROI like students from the UK. This may be a good starting point to find the answers to your questions: www3.open.ac.uk/study/