bloody hr department !
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Wonder if anyone can help or got any advice ?
I work in motorsport,in my last company I was the production manager an when my son was 13/14 he would do hols and weekends with us helping out in the composite department.He turns 16 in the summer an leaves school and is planning to go too college and do a motrsports course.
Like most of the cources it is 3 days a week and classed as full time,the plan was that the other 2 days he would work at my current works FOC in the composite department,learn the trade and get his foot in the door.
The boss was ok with it,prouction manager and department head were also also fine but now HR say he wouldnt be covered by our insurence(that can be sorted)
but also that you cant work for nothing-even if you want to ! he would be classed as a trainee and would have to be paid for 32 hrs a week (even thou he would only be there 16 !) and it will cost the company £7500 to pay him and the spare cash isnt in the budget.
Has the whole world gone mad or just his one HR person ?
cheers for ny advice
rob
I work in motorsport,in my last company I was the production manager an when my son was 13/14 he would do hols and weekends with us helping out in the composite department.He turns 16 in the summer an leaves school and is planning to go too college and do a motrsports course.
Like most of the cources it is 3 days a week and classed as full time,the plan was that the other 2 days he would work at my current works FOC in the composite department,learn the trade and get his foot in the door.
The boss was ok with it,prouction manager and department head were also also fine but now HR say he wouldnt be covered by our insurence(that can be sorted)
but also that you cant work for nothing-even if you want to ! he would be classed as a trainee and would have to be paid for 32 hrs a week (even thou he would only be there 16 !) and it will cost the company £7500 to pay him and the spare cash isnt in the budget.
Has the whole world gone mad or just his one HR person ?
cheers for ny advice
rob
Not covered by Employers liability insurance is b
ks sounds like HR person is a billy bullstter - I know of NO insurance contracts where anyone working there in whatever capacity is not covered.
Suggest he becomes a 'Volunteer' . My daughter wants to be a Veterinary Nurse she will if she gets a college place have college 2 days a week and has to volunteer at an approved practice for 2 days a week. Payment issue is also Bollo
ks sounds like HR person is a billy bullstter - I know of NO insurance contracts where anyone working there in whatever capacity is not covered.Suggest he becomes a 'Volunteer' . My daughter wants to be a Veterinary Nurse she will if she gets a college place have college 2 days a week and has to volunteer at an approved practice for 2 days a week. Payment issue is also Bollo
egor110 said:
Can't they take him on a 0 hour contract?
That is not a get out not to pay people! The intention of those contracts is to give employers flexibility in flexing working hours.Minimum wage regulations will be a hindrance. Don't blame the HR department as they are doing their job of mitigating any risk to the business.
One of my thoughts has been to pay the 7.5k,so they can pay him and i get it back in the end
my boss and production manager are ok but big boss is ruled by HR
Was told insurance wont/dosent cover anyone under 18 (dont know how we manage to have work experiance school children every year?)
Going to see if i can stump up the premium so he is covered
my boss and production manager are ok but big boss is ruled by HR
Was told insurance wont/dosent cover anyone under 18 (dont know how we manage to have work experiance school children every year?)
Going to see if i can stump up the premium so he is covered
elanfan said:
Not covered by Employers liability insurance is bks sounds like HR person is a billy bullstter - I know of NO insurance contracts where anyone working there in whatever capacity is not covered.
Our insurance specifies staff or contractors over the age18. although guests under that age are covered. Guests of all ages are covered. ks sounds like HR person is a billy bullstter - I know of NO insurance contracts where anyone working there in whatever capacity is not covered. Pothole said:
f1rob said:
big boss is ruled by HR
Nonsense!You might think that's a convenient way for the boss to refuse things, but the company never used to be like that, as HR built their power they completely f
ked up the "agility" of the company.Deva Link said:
Pothole said:
f1rob said:
big boss is ruled by HR
Nonsense!You might think that's a convenient way for the boss to refuse things, but the company never used to be like that, as HR built their power they completely f
ked up the "agility" of the company.Edited by Pothole on Friday 1st March 13:32
bga said:
Our insurance specifies staff or contractors over the age18. although guests under that age are covered. Guests of all ages are covered.
Show us the policy wording then. I still claim BS!If such a clause did exist when the law of the land allows people to be employed from around the age of 14 I'll show a contract that is ageist and I believe illegal!
Our employer insurance doesn't cover anybody under 18 Former place where they served alcohol didn't cover anybody Underb18. Not saying you can't get it, just that it might not be worth it.
With regards to HAVING to pay him, that's rubbish. Work experience covers it fine, and your PL insurance will cover the insurance aspect I would have thought.
With regards to HAVING to pay him, that's rubbish. Work experience covers it fine, and your PL insurance will cover the insurance aspect I would have thought.
elanfan said:
bga said:
Our insurance specifies staff or contractors over the age18. although guests under that age are covered. Guests of all ages are covered.
Show us the policy wording then. I still claim BS!If such a clause did exist when the law of the land allows people to be employed from around the age of 14 I'll show a contract that is ageist and I believe illegal!
edc said:
If budget is an issue how about you sacrifice 2 days wages and they pay that over to your son 
Excellently tax efficient too. Pay the lad £8K a year and he won't pay tax. Ye ha!!!! Let him keep what would have been the tax and NI and make him pay the rest to you in lodgings. Win win.
As an aside, my niece is doing a social work degree. It's 3 years. 50% of it is 'on the job' training, which the university charge her for. In her final year she has done 40 hour weeks running her own case load, and it's cost her £3500 in fees. Now that is bonkers and immoral.
Pothole said:
Do you really think that is an example of am HR power of veto?
The typo in there makes me unsure what you mean?In the OPs case, I would wager that the HR bod doesn't want to set a precedent and have everyone expecting it'll be OK to bring their kids in for a couple of days per week.
And even if they felt obliged to pay him, it could legally be as little as around £2.50 an hour.
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